Wikidata:Property proposal/Mastodon instance URL

Mastodon instance URL[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization

Done: Mastodon instance URL (P11810) (Talk and documentation)

Description	the mastodon instance of/about the subject
Represents	Mastodon instance (Q72705885)
Data type	URL
Domain	item
Example 1	Alliance '90/The Greens (Q49766) → https://gruene.social
Example 2	Mastodon (Q27986619) → https://mastodon.social
Example 3	Berlin (Q64) → https://berlin.social
Example 4	No Agenda (Q7043956) → https://noagendasocial.com
Example 5	Chaos Computer Club (Q23138) → https://chaos.social
Source	instances.social, List of Mastodon instances, joinmastodon.org/servers
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)

Motivation[edit]

some organisations run their own instance of mastodon. also some mastodon instances are dedicated to a specific topic Loominade (talk) 12:32, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

@Pintoch, ArthurPSmith, OwenBlacker:
julle (talk) wd-Ryan (talk/edits) Arlo Barnes (talk) WT20 (talk) Zblace (talk) applsdev RampantSpirit (talk)
Notified participants of WikiProject Websites Loominade (talk)
Support Laftp0 (talk) 13:15, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think this should restricts to more specific since sometimes there would be too many like technology (Q11016). Laftp0 (talk) 13:37, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
do you have an example? I mean, what exactly is your concern? – Loominade (talk) 13:38, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We can add every instances of technology topic in https://joinmastodon.org/servers to technology (Q11016) because their subjects are about technology. Laftp0 (talk) 14:14, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say all of the communities listed on https://joinmastodon.org/servers under technology are about something more specific than technology (Q11016). PHP (Q59) → phpc.social, Ruby (Q161053) → ruby.social, beer (Q44), free software (Q341) → hostux.social etc. – Loominade (talk) 14:45, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, yes you are right. My example was bad. But anyway I Support now because I remembered there are similar properties like subreddit (P3984) and my opinion does not make sense. Laftp0 (talk) 15:10, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am not at all up to date on the customs here but I would rather go for URL (P2699) on a dedicated item for the instance, with operator (P137) pointing to the corresponding organization. − Pintoch (talk) 22:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
sounds reasonable too -- Loominade (talk) 14:47, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
in particular because there is a lot to say about each instance. here is a showcase item: Mastodon.ART (Q115128383) -- Loominade (talk) 14:59, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
following this scheme there is actually no use for Mastodon address (P4033) -- Loominade (talk) 15:04, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Loominade: Is that really a showcase item? Ainali (talk) 19:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Loominade: Oh, there is plenty of use of it because it's a lot of trouble to retrieve the address from that statement. Also, with the trend of more people getting their own server, it will be quite a lot of bloat in Wikidata to create and store that rather than simply just the URL for the server or the address for the account. Ainali (talk) 19:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support but Mastodon should be capitalized. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 16:35, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Per WD:BOLD, fixed. —Tomodachi94 (talk) 22:41, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support (and agree that Mastodon should be capitalized) Ainali (talk) 19:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Per WD:BOLD, fixed. —Tomodachi94 (talk) 22:41, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
pardon my ignorance but how is this different from the official website of an instance? BrokenSegue (talk) 21:11, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
the idea here is that individual instances might/should have no item. for example Not Just Bikes (Q105104236) has its own instance notjustbikes.com which is not the official website -- Loominade (talk) 09:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ok thanks BrokenSegue (talk) 17:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@BrokenSegue, Loominade:, notjustbikes.com is a domain, not an instance. And the instance can be found at https://social.notjustbikes.com/ . 89.14.237.54 19:12, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment a useful bot job might be aquiring metadata from https://[mastodon url]/manifest.json and save name (P2561), short name (P1813), sRGB color hex triplet (P465) as qualifiers to each statement. Every mastodon instance should have it. -Shisma (talk) 17:17, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That should be stored on an item about the Mastodon instance and not using qualifiers but regular statements. 89.14.237.54 19:19, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the examples are just URLs. There are more things to say about a Mastodon instance than the URL. Create an item for each instance, P31=Mastodon instance, state the URL there, as well as anything else. 89.14.237.54 19:12, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
that's sometimes true. On the other hand, are also single-user instances like in the case of Not Just Bikes (Q105104236). I wouldn't want to create an item for those. I'd propose to qualify statements with statement is subject of (P805) in cases where an instance item exits – Shisma (talk) 11:18, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose with this datatype, it should be item. We can do <item><Mastodon instance>someoneURL (P2699)<URL>. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 20:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Warning: The proposal states "Represents" "Mastodon instance (Q72705885)" - but that isn't true. It represents the URL of such an instance. 89.14.237.54 19:14, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]