Wikidata:Property proposal/created at

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written at created at[edit]

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Not done
Descriptionlocation where a literary work was written, a music was created or a painting was created
Representsphysical location (Q17334923)
Data typeItem
Domainversion, edition or translation (Q3331189) creative work (Q17537576)
Example 1Q55395524 → Mungpoo (Q16976226)
Example 2Q57433575 → Udayan (Q78333123)
Example 3Q55395705 → Gouripur House (Q78335380)
See alsofilming location (P915), recorded at studio or venue (P483), location of creation (P1071) (currently used for paintings)

Motivation[edit]

This property will describe the location, where an author wrote a poem or novel or story etc. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 14:46, 13 December 2019 (UTC) or in more general, a work was created, may be a painting, music etc. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 19:09, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

@Tinker Bell: - country of origin (P495) is to describe countries, it does not describe exact location of where the work was written. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 06:39, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Bodhisattwa: That's why I suggested to broad the scope of P495: it can be renamed to "place of origin". --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 19:39, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support David (talk) 05:25, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support this is information that exists in a lot of wiki articles and often makes it's way into other properties. Cool to have a dedicated property for it. I would suggest broadening the scope to musical compositions as well though, something like "written or composed at" ? Moebeus (talk) 17:43, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support -- even though I do sometimes wonder at the increasing multiplication of location properties, and wonder whether "significant event" = "composition" / qualifier: "location" = <place> might generally be a more parsimonious approach. (And might similarly be a generic mechanism to prefer instead of several other location properties) -- because I do think it is better not to create properties unless we really need them. But maybe it is better to have one definite well-defined property like this, that is easy to use, rather than significant event (P793), which people might apply all sorts of values to, or not think to use at all. Note that location of creation (P1071) is also available. For items like illuminated manuscripts, it may not be clear which property should be preferred, so we should maybe consider that. Jheald (talk) 22:03, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment - As per suggestions above and the Wikidata Telegram chat, I have changed the proposal to a more general term i.e. created at. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 19:00, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment @Jheald: personally, I currently use location of creation (P1071) for tapestries and procelain and I don't like it. I'd rather reserve location of creation (P1071) for things that are made of components built elsewhere - like cell phones and automobiles - and use this new property for creative works like illuminated manuscripts and tapestries. The distinction could be "creative works" versus other types of human-made objects. - PKM (talk) 21:15, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Support Ainali (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Oppose per Multichill, missed that property. Ainali (talk) 20:49, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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