User talk:Jura1/6/1aruJ:klat resU

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		For your excellent continuing work on names data. Great work. :-) --Yair rand (talk) 17:58, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Given name

Great… we used to have an encyclopedic article about a given name and its origins, with interwiki links to articles about the same in other languages. Now we have unlinked single-language items because the name is not written in exactly the same way in all those languages. I don’t doubt somebody somewhere on Wikidata decided this hard rule is needed and useful. --Mormegil (talk) 12:11, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, the reality was more prosaic than what you are describing. We had some articles linking to disambiguation pages, articles on surnames and lists rather than actual articles on first names. Sometimes the sole article about the same name wasn't linked as it was already on some other item. http://ashtree.eu/wordpress/prenom-wikidata/ explains some of the reasoning. One thing that is missing on Q18114941 are links to other items with P460, but we should get this done soon. This will allow to generate lists for variations as done in the Italian Wikipedia. --- Jura 21:41, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

The point is, initially, there was Wikipedia and interwiki links. Then we created Wikidata to make those interwiki links simpler to manage. Now, we have no interwiki links (instead, we have a network of ad-hoc interconnected items, unusable for interwiki). I guess we’ll soon need to add interwiki links back to Wikipedia.

I don’t care for lists for variations. I care about interconnecting cs:Jáchym with de:Joachim (Vorname), which are articles about the exact same topic. The fact that English and German languages have the same orthography, so that the articles are both named “Joachim”, while the Czech language has a slightly different orthography, so that the name is spelled differently, is completely unimportant and should not decide that English and German are “allowed” to be connected with interwiki, while Czech is not. (Compare en:Joachim (given name) with de:Joachim (Vorname), and then compare de:Joachim (Vorname) with cs:Jáchym. Which of the pairs are more similar?)

--Mormegil (talk) 16:03, 25 September 2014 (UTC)