Wikidata:Property proposal/Candidate position
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Candidate Position
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization
Description | candidate position within party |
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Represents | candidate position (Q109320220) |
Data type | String |
Domain | qualifier |
Example 1 | Christina Aryani (Q96988349) candidacy in election (P3602) → 2014 Indonesian People's Representative Council election (Q108816797) → qualifier:Candidate Position: 3 |
Example 2 | Cem Özdemir (Q12839) candidacy in election (P3602) → 2021 German federal election (Q27123005) → qualifier: Candidate Position: 2 ref |
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Motivation
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While importing Indonesian politicians, I ran across a lack to indicate the candidate position within an political party AND electoral district. Having a higher (ie. 1 or 2) position will get into parliament first when the party gets enough percent. In Indonesian, the word is urut or urutan. In Germany, it's called Listenplatz, and also important to who gets into parliament.
I know we have candidate number and series ordinal but it's too ambiguous. Germartin1 (talk) 17:44, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]Support That makes sense. –MJL ‐Tauk‐☖ 17:53, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
- I used series ordinal to describe position on the list when I entered the New Zealand general election candidates to Wikidata, and would have preferred to have a more specific property. I think your property description could be clearer though? As I understand your proposal, it is intended to record the position of the candidate on a ranked list of candidates before the election, is that right? (That's the property that I would be keen to have). However it is possible that what you have written could be interpreted as the final candidate position after the election? (In NZ at least these positions on the list can be different things, as some candidates on the list get into parliament through an electorate instead of through the list, thus changing the number of the list of everyone coming below them). I think it should be clarified what the property is for or people trying to use the data down the line will not know how to interpret it.
- We also had a situation in the last election in NZ where several unregistered political parties collaborated together to make a list of MPs to create one list of candidates, so their list position is not "within the party". DrThneed (talk) 21:17, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
- Yes what I mean it's not the final result position. It's the position before the election. I thought "candidate" is clear enough, but I'll try to elaborate it more. Germartin1 (talk) 18:42, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment I think candidate number (P4243) is used for that, see the proposal at Wikidata:Property proposal/candidate number and the frequency of values 1 and 2: [1]. I don't think series ordinal (P1545) is suitable as its context isn't clear. --- Jura 14:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- You're right, apparently P4243 is used for that. For candidate number I think of every candidate having a different number, but Candidate position is within a party & district. In my dataset I have a candidate number (ie. 3303-00-0000-0503) and a candidate position (ie. 3) (example) Germartin1 (talk) 14:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- Is the candidate number election specific? If not, a dedicated property like P:P1839 could be preferable. --- Jura 16:32, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
- You're right, apparently P4243 is used for that. For candidate number I think of every candidate having a different number, but Candidate position is within a party & district. In my dataset I have a candidate number (ie. 3303-00-0000-0503) and a candidate position (ie. 3) (example) Germartin1 (talk) 14:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- It's not election specific either. Germartin1 (talk) 18:42, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- It should really be called something like "Candidate number ID" tbh –MJL ‐Tauk‐☖ 20:35, 18 November 2021 (UTC)