Wikidata:Property proposal/Hlídač státu subject ID

‎Hlídač státu subject ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization

   Not done

Description	ID of a subject in Hlídač státu database
Data type	External identifier
Domain	item
Allowed values	[0-9]+
Example 1	K.V.P. Gastro, a.s. (Q58489017) → 26425726
Example 2	State Mining Administration (Q11292816) → 00025844
Example 3	Prague (Q1085) → 00064581
Single-value constraint	yes

Motivation

Hlídač státu is the important database for transparency in the Czech Republic. We have property Hlídač státu person ID (P11211), this is another property for subjects. Skim (talk) 09:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

Tobias1984 Vojtěch Dostál YjM Jklamo Walter Klosse Sintakso Matěj Suchánek JAn Dudík Skim Frettie Jura1913 Mormegil Jedudedek marv1N Sapfan Daniel Baránek Draceane Michal Josef Špaček (WMCZ) The photonaut Hartasek Zelenymuzik Gumruch Shadster Dænča M.Rejha Janek Jan Kameníček Eva Vele Linda.jansova Lukša Packa Fukejs Hugo Xmorave2 J.Broukal Lenkakrizova Steam Flow Pavel Bednařík Sanqui

Notified participants of WikiProject Czech Republic Skim (talk) 09:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

•  Support --Sapfan (talk) 09:54, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
•  Support --Frettie (talk) 10:05, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
•  Oppose – ? Hlídač státu references subjects by their IČO (which is also the obvious choice). See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P4156#P4156$6abb21c9-4fd0-530d-2259-090e81e23b06 --Mormegil (talk) 10:30, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  I am against to this idea, because there is no guarantee to use of this id in concrete database. This is common issue. I understand that there is this kind of opposition, maybe this is for some bigger discussion. It seems as duplication, but I don't think that it is. My idea is that property means combination of Q object with ID for concrete database. Is there some guidence for this third-party formatter URL (P3303) approach? Skim (talk) 16:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Skim I understand your concern - how does a data user know that a given item with IČO has also an entry in Hlídač státu, right? I had the same issue with Obálky knih (Q67311526), which uses NL CR AUT ID (P691), and I solved it by adding a P1343 statement, as in Q1047#P1343. If anyone knows a better solution, please enlighten me. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 16:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  You need to test that id exists somehow. The possible ways are check by computer (e.g. HEAD __URL__ and check right HTTP code) or by hand or have information from database. Same as in other external ids.

  
  

  Ad adding of P1343 or other statement) I see these resolutions, but usage of these things is not simple.

  My proposal) Get all QIDs, which have external ID.

  Your proposal) Get all QIDs, which have NL CR AUT ID (P691) AND described by source (P1343) with Obálky knih (Q67311526) with URL (P2699).

  
  

  I think the important thing is answer to my previous question "Is there some guidence for this third-party formatter URL (P3303) approach?". We don't want to use resolutions which are not common in Wikidata at all. Skim (talk) 20:36, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

•  Neutral As Mormegil mentioned, it's always the same value as Czech Registration ID (IČO) (P4156). We already have it listed as third-party formatter URL (P3303) for Czech Registration ID (IČO) (P4156). --Jklamo (talk) 11:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
•  Oppose Unless there's some subjects without IČO which still have an entry in Hlidac statu.Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 12:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
•  Neutral Generally, I am in favour of having a dedicated property for Hlídač státu subjects, as it is an important and useful source of information. Yet the objection about (kind of) duplicating properties, as the IDs are actually IČO numbers, makes me hesitate. --YjM | _d^c 21:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
•  Not done, no consensus of proposed property at this time based on the above discussion. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 07:42, 18 October 2024 (UTC)