Wikidata:Property proposal/Plant Finder ID (Chicago Botanic Garden)
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Plant Finder ID (Chicago Botanic Garden)
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Natural science
Motivation
[edit]The Plant Finder (Q116213766) database provides botanical and horticultural information about thousands of plants grown at the Chicago Botanic Garden (Q2919730). It includes photographs, common name, a map of locations within the Garden, and information on soil type, plant shape and type (tree, shrub, etc.), sun exposure, bloom time, bloom color, foliage type, and hardiness zones. AdamSeattle (talk) 06:05, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]Support --Emwille (talk) 18:05, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Support
Don't ping me NMaia (talk) 13:21, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Support --cstrickler (talk) 13:49, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Oppose Gardingen tips for Adromischus rotundifolius (Q116213825)? --Succu (talk) 22:01, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Succu: Can you explain your oppose a bit please? I suppose "Gardingen" was supposed to mean "Gardening", and then I assume further that you noticed that the linked page does not have gardening info, whereas pages for other species have it (see e.g. example 5). What does that imply in terms of this property proposal? Or did you have something else in mind? Daniel Mietchen (talk) 22:38, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
- Terms like Soil / Plant Shape / Exposure / Landscape Use / Hardiness Zone are related to gardening (Q124946) or better horticulture (Q48803). As far as I can tell most of the entries at Plant Finder (Q116213766) are hybrid (Q42621) (containing "×") or cultivar (Q4886) (name included in ‘’ prefixed by a genus or species name). Example 3 (Abelia ×grandiflora 'Francis Mason' (Q116213807)) was created as "Abelia x grandiflora 'Francis Mason'" (for P225). Abies concolor 'Candicans' (Q116213793) suggests "Hoary White Fir" as taxon common name (P1843). I doubt that is correct. It belongs more likely to Abies concolor (Q145939). Properties like Garden Plant Finder ID (P11022) (see also) are get marked as Wikidata property to identify taxa (Q42396390). That untrue. Nobody should create items based on such "databases". The property proposer did this. Not for the first time. Other will follow. And nobody cares. --Succu (talk) 20:14, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Strong support -- Thanks for catching this for Chicago-based GLAMS Prburley (talk)
Support--Crystal Yragui, University of Washington Libraries (talk) 22:01, 25 April 2023 (UTC) I don't fully understand the oppose note Succu left. Is it an issue with data quality, taxonomic level, or something else?
- To keep its simple, User:Clements.UWLib, it's a bad data source! --Succu (talk) 19:57, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- The Chicago Botanic Garden is a reputable horticultural institution so I wouldn't expect their data to have more errors than any other data source. I'm having trouble understanding how your examples show that the data they provide is bad. Are you saying that your examples show incorrect information? Or that hybrids/specific cultivars are not appropriate for inclusion in Wikidata? I'm not sure how this isn't a Wikidata property to identify taxa. --Crystal Yragui, University of Washington Libraries (talk) 21:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- To keep its simple, User:Clements.UWLib, it's a bad data source! --Succu (talk) 19:57, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
@Emwille, NMaia, Kiwigirl3850, Daniel Mietchen, Prburley, Clements.UWLib: Done Plant Finder ID (Chicago Botanic Garden) (P11829) Midleading (talk) 03:06, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Midleading: please respect the
{{No ping}}
tag. NMaia (talk) 04:54, 17 June 2023 (UTC)