Wikidata:Property proposal/date of first attestation

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date of first attestation

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Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

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Descriptiondate of the earliest use of the word, given by an etymological document or, where appropriate, by the oldest document found using it
Data typePoint in time
DomainLexemes
Exampleordinateur (fr) → 16 April 1955
See alsotime of discovery or invention (P575), Wikidata:Property proposal/place of first attestation

Motivation

To indicate the etymology of a word. Tubezlob (🙋) 12:13, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

  •  Oppose there is unlikely a first attestation but some earliest sources so better directly reference these sources instead of their date. -- JakobVoss (talk)
Who says it is used since the 1920s? The Wiktionary entry mentions explicit sources for when an by whom the term was popularized. The other example "ordinateur" cites that Jacques Perret has proposed the term. It looks the proposed property is too vague to be reliable but something like "proposed or popularized by" could better be filled with sourced statements. -- JakobVoss (talk) 15:50, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@JakobVoss: Maybe the label of the property is not very accurate. I propose instead "date of appearance".
Yes I agree with you, it is possible to have several properties that are more precise to describe etymology.
  • date of appearance
  • place of appearance
  • proposed or popularized by (should be two properties?) with date and place for qualifiers
  • document of earliest known attestation with date and place for qualifiers
  • derived from (with qualifiers to be more precise)
Are you OK with that? Tubezlob (🙋) 19:44, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I's hard to say without more examples. I'd rather postpone these properties and start with more obvious properties until we have enough actual Lexemes to work with. There are too many ways to model the information, e.g. something like used by (P1535) with qualifiers could also make sense. -- JakobVoss (talk) 15:18, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@JakobVoss: What are for you "more obvious properties"? Tubezlob (🙋) 16:08, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, VIGNERON, JakobVoss, Pigsonthewing, ChristianKl, Jura1:  Withdrawn. Tubezlob (🙋) 10:12, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]