Wikidata:Property proposal/regime

Has lived/been ruled under these political regimen

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

   Not done

Description	main regime or main governments under which the people has lived under, of notable source
Data type	Item
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	form of government (Q1307214)
Example 1	Oliver Cromwell (Q44279)→Kingdom of England (Q179876) +The Protectorate (Q1987351) (etc, not well documented exemple, should be reviewed by good English knowledge)
Example 2	Voltaire (Q9068)→Kingdom of France (Q70972) + Kingdom of Great Britain (Q161885)
Example 3	Vincent Auriol (Q158772)→French Third Republic (Q70802) + Vichy France (Q69808) + French Fourth Republic (Q69829) + French Fifth Republic (Q200686)
Example 4	George Washington (Q23)→Kingdom of Great Britain (Q161885) + United States of America (Q30)
Example 5	Wangari Muta Maathai (Q46795)→Kenya Colony (Q2538511) + Kenya (1963–1964) (Q6392538) + Kenya (Q114)
Example 6	Ülo Kiple (Q16403221)→Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q130280)

Motivation

This property aims at complementing country of citizenship (P27) : it shall help comprehend political regimen under which the people has lived under and who could have an influence on the people's life path. It would be filled with only main governments : kings/constitution/regime/colonies level (and not under)... This property might help solve certain debates on nationalities of a people. In old ages, there was no passports, thus no nationality stamped on a paper. Furthermore, this property might happen to not coincide with country of citizenship (P27).Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 19:53, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support, a very important property for the history.--Arbnos (talk) 00:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Weak support --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 18:10, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose Seems like it duplicates statements that should be elsewhere (on country?). --- Jura 12:15, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Jura1 as far as I can see country (P17) explicitly says "not to be used for human beings" so unless we change this, this suggestion seems not to be a viable approach. --Hannes Röst (talk) 20:45, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

We can still list country of citzenship, residence, work location or time period. --- Jura 09:06, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, could you try to query those that have lived under Louis XIV^(Q7742), for instance ?Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 09:19, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't see a sample for that in the proposal. --- Jura 10:55, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Voltaire^(Q9068) was among them. Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 13:22, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Not sure how that would work with the proposal. I added Sandbox-Item (P369) to Voltaire^(Q9068) with the value proposed above [1]. Can you do a query that would simulate with P369 what you are looking for? --- Jura 10:39, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

This way ? https://w.wiki/3ZBB Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 13:05, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that matches what you proposed above. --- Jura 14:07, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

•  Oppose Too much overlap with country of citizenship (P27) and allegiance (P945). /ℇsquilo 11:35, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

  It is distinct from P27 for the people might have lived under other rules, especially when dealing with old times, when there wasn't any official paperwork to establish nationality and for that model about old countries is like catching water in a sieve.

  Nevertheless, P945 is interesting and is close to the proposal. But not 100% : people might have lived under rule of King X, without having expressed any allegiance to that King. Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 11:56, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

•  Not done, no consensus of proposed property at this time based on the above discussion. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 06:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)