User talk:Kolja21

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GND

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In reference to your comment about GND in revision https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q61749519&oldid=prev&diff=2199081034 the issue was that the "GND identifier" (P227) didn't "know" about deutsche-biographie.de's use of GND identifiers, I have added the relevant regex to its "URL match pattern", thanks for the spot Back ache (talk) 15:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the improvement. The regex issue is beyond my technical knowledge. Kolja21 (talk) 16:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Henri de Bizemont

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Henri de Bizemont (Q126193451): French geographer (1839-1899) seems clearly born in 1839; no source for the 1829 in https://d-nb.info/gnd/132386194. Thanks! --Epìdosis 16:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Now fixed. I assume "born 1829" was taken from the National Library of Chile. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Myron Rush

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In hebis I see a misuse of https://d-nb.info/gnd/112301150 = Myron Rush (Q127425860): psychologist and consultant; How communist states change their rulers, The international situation and Soviet foreign policy : key reports by Soviet leaders from the revolution to the present and other publications of international studies (not psychology) are clearly by Myron Rush (Q54263586): American military personnel. Thanks! --Epìdosis 14:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Epìdosis, I can't correct hebis but I've add GND 170206963 for the military personnel/political scientist. --Kolja21 (talk) 06:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vincenzo Montecalvi

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https://d-nb.info/gnd/1021287164 (= Vincenzo Montecalvi (Q94869933): Italian philosopher (1573-1637)) has a clearly wrong birth year 1543, with no source; it should be 1573. Thanks, --Epìdosis 16:22, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done GND created by Deutsches Dokumentationszentrum für Kunstgeschichte - Bildarchiv Foto Marburg (Q860570). Thanks for the hint. --Kolja21 (talk) 06:57, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marguerite Fiévez

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A wrong, and with no sources, death year (1967; should be 2000) in https://d-nb.info/gnd/1147211337 = Marguerite Fiévez (Q113731811): no description. Thanks, --Epìdosis 17:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Thanks again! 1967 was the year when cardinal Joseph Cardijn died. I have revised the data record accordingly. --Kolja21 (talk) 07:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jean-Michel Poffet

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https://d-nb.info/gnd/172310504 I'm unsure about the link with Iran (I find no clue online); was it maybe Israel, since he was active in Jerusalem? Thanks, --Epìdosis 17:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Obvious typo. I've change XB-IR to XB-IL (Israel). Thanks for the note. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Jean-Michel Poffet (Q66596153) is Swiss, not French. (I've changed the description to "sacerdote e teologo svizzero".) --Kolja21 (talk) 18:54, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Double 375a

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https://d-nb.info/gnd/143226231 I see both 1 and 2 in field 375a, obviously only 1 (male) is correct and 2 (female) should be removed. Thanks! --Epìdosis 11:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Other cases: --Epìdosis 11:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Never seen something like that. There should be only one field for the gender. In the cases of Kellermann, Lundgren and Hahn I've put both on "male". --Kolja21 (talk) 11:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Others: https://d-nb.info/gnd/135465281, https://d-nb.info/gnd/135398258. Whilst https://d-nb.info/gnd/119348144 is just wrong. Epìdosis 12:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done --Kolja21 (talk) 12:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agar Brugiavini

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https://d-nb.info/gnd/129795968 1992 is impossible as birth date; it should be 1958 = Agar Brugiavini (Q41805461): Italian economist (1958-). Thanks, --Epìdosis 12:34, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Done Thanks. A common mistake: floruit 1992 (LCAuth) added to the wrong field. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some strange 404 errors

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Hi! In a few items like Princess Akiko of Mikasa (Q2379961) and Aubert de Cambrai (Q2870589) (edit: and Johannes Gerloff (Q1399587)) I have obtained strange 404 erros for the GND IDs, despite the fact that they are normally present in VIAF clusters. Have you any hint why these happen? Are they just temporary errors? Should they be reported? Thanks, --Epìdosis 13:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have had several of these cases. It's a technical problem with the old DNB catalog. The new version has not yet been released. I've left a note at the item and filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks for the clear explanation. I hope the new version of the DNB catalog will be released soon. I will report you similar cases when I find them. Epìdosis 14:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wurgl: Do you remember these cases? Should we make a list? I've reported only the first two. BTW: The GND-Webformular shows three different error messages:
  • korrektes Unterfeld (z.B. '$g') fehlt in 'Andere Namen - Vornamen/Nachname' vor '$T01'
  • korrektes Unterfeld (z.B. '$v') fehlt in 'Andere Namen - Vornamen/Nachname' vor '$lof Arras-Cambrai'
  • Subfeld '$4' in 'Relationierte Zeit' ist inhaltlich nicht korrekt
--Kolja21 (talk) 14:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hallo @Unukorno: Du hast mehr Zugriffsrechte. Kannst du die oben genannten Datensätze, die im DNB-Katalog nicht angezeigt werden, neu abspeichern? Ich weiß nicht, wo genau der Fehler liegt, aber irgendein Feld wird nicht regelkonform ausfüllt sein. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another one: Friedrich Schütze (Q1462169). Epìdosis 15:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea. The latest dump from end of February contains all 4 Ids.
There is a new interface, which works for the last Example mentioned by Epìdosis https://katalog.dnb.de/DE/list.html?key=all&key.GROUP=1&t=1066479690&sortD=-dat&sortA=bez&pr=0&v=plist&submit.x=0&submit.y=0 and this new beta version of the public web-interface works for the other three too? --Wurgl (talk) 15:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shorter link works too: Example Princess Akiko of Mikasa (Q2379961) https://katalog.dnb.de/DE/list.html?t=1066234582 --Wurgl (talk) 15:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1. This is the new catalog I was talking about. I don't know if the beta phase will end this year. They've been testing it for months now. --Kolja21 (talk) 15:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wrote a mail to my contact person. Now lets wait a few days. --Wurgl (talk) 15:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for looking into this; and I'm looking forward to the new catalogue. Another case: Leslie Browne (Q451916). --Epìdosis 20:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strange. All IDs start with 1066. Just Coincidence? --Wurgl (talk) 20:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe not: another case in Amanda Pays (Q454048), also this starts with 1066. Epìdosis 21:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC) Another one also starting in 1066: Tanya Neufeldt (Q1359763). I will go on tomorrow. --Epìdosis 21:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An old case from October 2016. The ID starts with 1185: GND 118575546 (fixed). --Kolja21 (talk) 02:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again with 1066: Christopher Allport (Q2432123). Epìdosis 08:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And again 1066: Horst De la Croix (Q106663517). My bot (EpidòseosBot) is stumbling in them one by one ... Epìdosis 09:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of problematic 1066... IDs

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God in Islam (Q2095353)

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Hi Kolja21. I hope you're doing well. I would like to respectfully ask you the reason for your removal of the GND identifier Allah from the WD item: God in Islam (Q2095353). Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 09:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Soufiyouns, like you say, GND 4219322-9 is the identifier for Allah (Q234801). If you got an identifier for John F. Kennedy (Q9696) it is the identifier for this person. It's not the identifier for the 439 items linked to Kennedy. Identifiers should only be used for one item! That's why they are called "identifiers". Please take it serious if there is an exclamation mark (!) after your edits. It means something is wrong. Kolja21 (talk) 11:02, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kolja21: Thank you for your friendly response which allows me to discuss this important subject with you. Indeed, the item "Allah" (Q234801) concerns a word (text) in Arabic which means God for all religions, and it does not exclusively concern Islam. On the other hand, the item "God in Islam" (Q2095353) concerns the God venerated in Islam. Therefore, the identifier GND Allah should be linked to the deity God in Islam (Q2095353) and not to the textual word Allah (Q234801). What is your opinion, and have I been convincing? Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 11:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moving GND 4219322-9 would be possible but confusing. There are 138 articles about en:Allah. After moving the identifier to "God in Islam" Allah would even not exist in German Wikipedia even though Muslims are the second-largest religious community in this country. Kolja21 (talk) 11:46, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kolja21: I thank you again for your educational patience and your clear explanation. You have thus allowed me to understand the context in which this question concerning the GND identifier (4219322-9) arises. Indeed, the German Wikipedia site has only created one article linked to the textual word Allah linked to the corresponding item Allah (Q234801). And so, no article on "https://de.wikipedia.org/" has been created for the subject "God in Islam", and therefore no German link exists on the item God in Islam (Q2095353). According to you, and what I understood from your explanation above, it is then useless and rather confusing to write a duplicate of the GND identifier on an item not linked to any German article. Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 13:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matteo Guidotti

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Hi, as part of the Swiss researchers project while cleaning homonyms, I have spotted a big conflation of two (or three) different people on many national databases linked to the VIAF. See here. User:Epìdosis has cleaned also something today. Please if you could, you could clean the GND entry. Alessandro Marchetti (WMCH) (talk) 10:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can use the SBN ID in Matteo Guidotti (Q57600224) and Matteo Guidotti (Q127867546). Epìdosis updated them properly. The third persone is a Swiss professor but I don't think he is on the GND--Alessandro Marchetti (WMCH) (talk) 10:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Alessandro, thanks for the hint. The ORCID IDs were imported automatically and in this case unfortunately incorrect. I've created GND 133706517X for the chemist and filed a report regarding the linked articles. --Kolja21 (talk) 12:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: If you have a ORCID account AND there are articles from you in the DNB you can claim them through ORCID. This is the best (and fastest) way to avoid import errors. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:10, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PPS: You see the ORCID ID if you use OGND. (The DNB catalog is currently being revised and I don't know when the new version will go online.) --Kolja21 (talk) 13:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I will inform people about that! Thx.--Alessandro Marchetti (WMCH) (talk) 14:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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