Wikidata:Property proposal/National Library of Ireland ID
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National Library of Ireland ID[edit]
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control
| Represents | National Library of Ireland (Q1672830) |
|---|---|
| Data type | External identifier |
| Domain | persons, organizations, geographical places, etc |
| Example 1 | Palladius of Galatia (Q2047944) → vtls000269336 |
| Example 2 | Peter Abelard (Q4295) → vtls000003115 |
| Example 3 | Paulinus of Nola (Q132473) → vtls001104988 |
| Example 4 | St Patrick's Purgatory (Q3445543) → vtls000134075 |
| Example 5 | St Patrick's Cathedral (Q16935457) → vtls001111684 |
| Example 6 | St. Patrick's Cathedral (Q624556) → vtls000080325 |
| Number of IDs in source | 275763 as of 2021-11, reference http://viaf.org/viaf/data/viaf-20211031-links.txt.gz |
| Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
| Formatter URL | http://viaf.org/processed/N6I%7C$1 |
| See also | Literature Ireland ID (P5542), National Gallery of Ireland ID (P8906) |
| Applicable "stated in"-value | National Library of Ireland (Q1672830) |
| Distinct-values constraint | yes |
| Wikidata project | WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058) |
Motivation[edit]
Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control
This is one of only two VIAF component IDs not yet on WD, see query https://w.wiki/4WWh. When created, add:
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 08:04, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
Comment This property was created in 2015 as P1946 after this discussion and was deleted in 2019 after this discussion. --Epìdosis 09:02, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
- To users involved in previous discussions: @Rehua, L736E, Accurimbono, Pigsonthewing: @Jklamo, ArthurPSmith, Circeus:. --Epìdosis 00:02, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Support - PKM (talk) 21:44, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Oppose unless some convincing counter-argument to the previous deletion discussion is made. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:45, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
This is one case where I'd deprecate the thing rather then deleting it, if it was possible to deprecate props
- The RfD page says "See Property talk:P1946... Delete based on the discussion on the property talk page". Unfortunately that page is deleted so I can't read it ;-)
- Luckily, enough of the discussion is copied to the RfD page. The key counter-argument is "it is a downloaded record from the Library of Congress authorities server. So basically a copy of the data with a new number in their own VTLS system"
- I got historical stats of VIAF links by contributor, so I can check growth. I've now downloaded http://viaf.org/viaf/data/viaf-20211031-links.txt.gz (1.2G) and re-counted:
grep N6I *count*.txt viaf-links-count-201612.txt: 227699 N6I viaf-links-count-201807.txt: 227651 N6I viaf-links-count-201808.txt: 227707 N6I viaf-links-count-201911.txt: 228054 N6I viaf-links-count-202003.txt: 228054 N6I viaf-links-count-202111.txt: 275763 N6I grep LC *count*.txt viaf-links-count-201508.txt: 9154093 LC viaf-links-count-201612.txt: 16256543 LC viaf-links-count-201807.txt: 10156417 LC viaf-links-count-201808.txt: 16912675 LC viaf-links-count-201911.txt: 10560894 LC viaf-links-count-202003.txt: 10658882 LC viaf-links-count-202111.txt: 11063770 LC
- N6I has hardly been updated in 2016-2020 (only 350 new). But in 2021, 78k new items (21%) were added
- I can't see a correlation to the LC numbers... I guess N6I copied a small subset of LC
- If the uselessness of "N6I" is confirmed, I'll withdraw the proposal, then:
- Make a new item "National Library of Ireland N6I VTLS ID (deprecated)", attach the code to it, and copy the deprecation discussion there to give people a chance to discover it. Agreed?
- I did search before proposing the prop (wanted to save myself the trouble)
- SPARQL search (see proposal)
- search in Item & prop namespaces finds National Library of Ireland (Q1672830) first
- search in all namespaces doesn't return relevant hits in the first page --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 15:59, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Updated 9 Dec (added last count lines): given that 21% new items are added in the last year, it seems that N6I is alive and should be created as a prop.
- I grepped for long VIAF IDs having a N6I link (saved as this GIST) and found many new N6I entries
- Example below (the dates are from "VIAF History", not the links file)
- It seems N6I now grows independently of LC, since 4 of the 6 examples are N6I alone
grep -P "viaf/\d{10}.*N6I" viaf-20211031-links.txt>viaf-20211031-new-N6I.txt
- http://viaf.org/viaf/107159818796913812557 Smedley's Hydropathic Establishment: N6I|vtls002439198 add 2020-08-23
- https://viaf.org/viaf/100159818668013811280/ Key stage 3 mathematics for Northern Ireland: N6I|vtls000340095 add 2020-08-23
- http://viaf.org/viaf/3506153411788941700004 Michael Harding (Irish writer): N6I|vtls000047641 add 2020-11-29
- http://viaf.org/viaf/755159820901214000004 Higgins, James A: N6I|vtls002547255 add 2020-08-23
- https://viaf.org/viaf/9148162669397255500004/ Walsh, Jill: N6I|vtls000328185 add 2021-07-19 (together with ISNI and LC the same day)
- https://viaf.org/viaf/9236159820928414000003/ Foy, Peter, Cong: N6I|vtls002294413 add 2020-08-23
--Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 07:11, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Just to indicate the above seems sufficiently convincing to me! ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:36, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support — MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 10:51, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm setting the status to "ready" as the only opposition was by @Pigsonthewing: but I think I've shown enough new evidence. If you disagree, please resume the discussion --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 10:33, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
