Wikidata:Property proposal/Parliament of Australia MP ID
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Parliament of Australia MP ID[edit]
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person
| Description | identifier for a Member of Parliament on the Parliament of Australia website |
|---|---|
| Represents | member of the Australian House of Representatives (Q18912794) member of the Australian Senate (Q6814428) |
| Data type | External identifier |
| Domain | human (Q5) |
| Allowed values | [0-9A-Z]+ |
| Example 1 | Zali Steggall (Q145103) → 175696 |
| Example 2 | Natasha Stott Despoja (Q6968504) → 3I6 |
| Example 3 | Scott Morrison (Q7436908) → E3L |
| Example 4 | Jason Falinski (Q23939864) → G86 |
| Example 5 | Bronwyn Bishop (Q4974135) → SE4 |
| Source | https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members |
| External links | Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt]. |
| Planned use | not sure at this stage, my first step is usually making a Mix'n'Match set |
| Number of IDs in source | >227 |
| Expected completeness | always incomplete (Q21873886) |
| Formatter URL | https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Parliamentarian?MPID=$1 |
| Robot and gadget jobs | yes |
| Distinct-values constraint | yes |
| Wikidata project | WikiProject Australia (Q11036831) |
Motivation[edit]
Official parliamentary pages for Australian Members of Parliament, including (some?) former members. Examples listed in order of QID. 99of9 (talk) 10:28, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Discussion[edit]
Notified participants of WikiProject Australia --99of9 (talk) 10:28, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Support JarrahTree (talk) 10:29, 10 October 2021 (UTC)- don't support A useful reference site in combination with the capacity to archive pages. The identifiers appear not to be permanent, if as you report, only some former MPs are included. For an identifier, I want something which at least purports to be a permanent identifier. MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:08, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- @MargaretRDonald: I don't think they delete them. My comment just meant that they don't go back and retrospectively create pages for everyone back to 1901. I'm not sure when the site started, but as Natasha Stott Despoja (Q6968504)'s inclusion shows, it goes back at least 14 years, which is pretty decent in internet-dog-years. --99of9 (talk) 22:28, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- @99of9: It would be useful to know how far back they go. I checked Mick Young (Q15500212) under both "Mick Young" and "Michael Jerome Young". (sacked under Whitlam for failing to properly fill out a customs declaration for a teddy bear - far cry from the present state of illegal acts performed and unpunished by our current MPs). I could not find him. IIt would be good to know the aims of the compilers. It could and should be complete, but is that their intention? MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:57, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- @MargaretRDonald: I don't think it goes back beyond the creation of the site. Perhaps because they need input from the subject themself. So, for example, John Coulter (Q6227293)'s term finished in 1995, around the advent of widespread www webpage rollout, but he is not listed. --99of9 (talk) 23:10, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- @99of9:I have now hunted for Bronwyn Bishop under "Brownwyn Bishop" & "Bishop". Both eearches turned up nothing. Yet two "Bishop"s of recent memory should have turned up. I checked "Mackellar" and my search gave 1 of 1, the present member for Mackellar, Jason Falisnski. I suspect if we tried almost every federal electorate, the search would return 1 of 1, the current member. (Check out Wide Bay, 1 of 1; Kooyong, 1 of 1).So ephemeral. MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support @99of9: The search engine is appalling. But I have now located Bronwyn Bishop (see your proposal) and in hunting for Tony Abbott, found another Abbott, Percy, who served very much earlier. So, it seems that despite the horrid search engine, the site is ok. Therefore support. MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:52, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- @99of9:I have now hunted for Bronwyn Bishop under "Brownwyn Bishop" & "Bishop". Both eearches turned up nothing. Yet two "Bishop"s of recent memory should have turned up. I checked "Mackellar" and my search gave 1 of 1, the present member for Mackellar, Jason Falisnski. I suspect if we tried almost every federal electorate, the search would return 1 of 1, the current member. (Check out Wide Bay, 1 of 1; Kooyong, 1 of 1).So ephemeral. MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- @MargaretRDonald: I don't think it goes back beyond the creation of the site. Perhaps because they need input from the subject themself. So, for example, John Coulter (Q6227293)'s term finished in 1995, around the advent of widespread www webpage rollout, but he is not listed. --99of9 (talk) 23:10, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- @99of9: It would be useful to know how far back they go. I checked Mick Young (Q15500212) under both "Mick Young" and "Michael Jerome Young". (sacked under Whitlam for failing to properly fill out a customs declaration for a teddy bear - far cry from the present state of illegal acts performed and unpunished by our current MPs). I could not find him. IIt would be good to know the aims of the compilers. It could and should be complete, but is that their intention? MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:57, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- @MargaretRDonald: I don't think they delete them. My comment just meant that they don't go back and retrospectively create pages for everyone back to 1901. I'm not sure when the site started, but as Natasha Stott Despoja (Q6968504)'s inclusion shows, it goes back at least 14 years, which is pretty decent in internet-dog-years. --99of9 (talk) 22:28, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support Been meaning to propose this for a while. I think all the bio pages are around somewhere on aph.gov.au, but only a few recent ones have been migrated to the MPID system, with the others only visible and barely findable under the appalling URL scheme for the Parliamentary Handbook entries, such as Mick Young whose bio can be found at https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id:%22handbook/allmps/EV4%22 – as Margaret says, it would be good to know if there is a plan to migrate all the bios to a consistent and searchable/indexed database with persistent identifiers, but I think this is still OK to approve for the currently migrated MPID entries and to assume/hope the older ones will follow eventually. --Canley (talk) 08:13, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support --Dhx1 (talk) 13:21, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
@99of9, JarrahTree, MargaretRDonald, Canley, Dhx1: 
Done Now Parliament of Australia MP ID (P10020). -Lymantria (talk) 13:10, 26 October 2021 (UTC)