Property proposal:	Generic	Authority control	Person	Organization
	Creative work	Place	Sports	Sister projects
	Transportation	Natural science	Computing	Lexeme

General[edit]

‎relates to sustainable development goal, target or indicator[edit]

Under discussion

Description	indicates a relation between the subject and the SDGs or one of the components
Data type	Item
Domain	item
Allowed values	Items that are instance of (P31): Sustainable Development Goal (Q53580881), Sustainable Development Goal Target (Q56724848), or Sustainable Development Goal Indicator (Q56726345). And also Sustainable Development Goals (Q7649586) itself.
Example 1	biodiversity (Q47041)→Sustainable Development Goal 15 (Q53581245)
Example 2	adaptation to global warming (Q260607)→Target 13.1 of the Sustainable Development Goals (Q57590883)
Example 3	Sendai Framework for Disaster Risk Reduction (Q22907841)→Indicator 13.1.2 of the Sustainable Development Goals (Q57595592)
Example 4	early neonatal mortality rate (Q97210258)→Indicator 3.2.2 of the Sustainable Development Goals (Q57595404)
Planned use	Add on phenomena, processes and policies.
Wikidata project	WikiProject Sustainable Development (Q56507949)

Motivation[edit]

A property like this will make it much easier to connect Wikidata items to the Sustainable Development Goals (Q7649586) and enable a straightforward and queryable data model. Ainali (talk) 15:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notified participants of WikiProject Sustainable Development. Ainali (talk) 15:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Support We need better mechanisms to tag relationships of Wikidata entities to such measures of sustainable development, and the proposed approach looks good to me. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 00:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Generally, is a label that's longer than the property description a bad indication.

Properties exist to specify how two entities are related. This property just says that they are somehow related which is very imprecise. If we take early neonatal mortality rate (Q97210258) and Indicator 3.2.2 of the Sustainable Development Goals (Q57595404), I would call that relationship something like "is measured by" (and maybe we can find an even better name). ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 22:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it is a long label, and was contemplating inf the "relates to the SDGs" would have been a good enough one, but thought that it might not have shown the intended use clearly enough. But perhaps that should be switched, I am very open to that.

Regarding specifying the relation, generally I would agree with you. But in this collection, and for all different kinds of items and how they could be connected with the goals, targets or indicators, it would be too complex to create an overview in a query to find out what is having a relation to, for example, a specific indicator. Yes, it is a generic relation, but as the relations are to a well-defined and particularly notable subset of items of high general interest, I think it is called for. Ainali (talk) 06:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I want to know what has relationships to a specific indicator, I could just look at that page and use the reverse label. I would expect that there are also other ways you can write your query.

As far as this being a particularly notable subset of items, to me that means that it's even more important to be specific about how they relate to other items. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 14:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The SDGs are unscientific, flawed, and self-defeating / self-contradicting. The main reason for why this shouldn't be included however is that nearly everything has some kind of relation to them (colloquially speaking). Instead of using very flawed overly broad subjective inspecific goals some alternative(s) could be used and these may already exist such as climate change mitigation (Q898653), methane emissions mitigation (Q124806283) or pollution prevention (Q7225750) which are in need of complements and expansion. --Prototyperspective (talk) 11:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

agent of action[edit]

Under discussion

Description	thing that does the action
Data type	Item
Domain	action (Q4026292)
Example 1	German December 16 suprise attack in the Battle of the Bulge (Q116504918)agent of actionArmy Group B (Q157572) Source
Example 2	Opening of Tokyo 2020 games (Q116504974)agent of actionNaruhito (Q217096) Source
Example 3	Johann Philipp Reis demonstration of the Reis telephone to the Physical Society of Frankfurt (Q116504999)agent of actionJohann Philipp Reis (Q77124) Source
See also	https://schema.org/agent

Motivation[edit]

I would like to create a data model to describe notable actions agents have made that are described in various Wikimedia articles. We should allow users to document actions so that they can be used to create timelines of events that can then be easily translated. They can also be used as a source to generate detailed Wikipedia article content for Abstract Wikipedia.

This property is the first to be proposed of the data model and follows the Schema.org data model for actions: https://schema.org/Action

participant (P710) exists, however that's usually used usually for events and not actions. It also requires that you use object has role (P3831) to specify the role of the participant. For a relationship as critical and common as an agent is to the action they perform, we should have a dedicated property and not be required to add object has role (P3831)agent (Q24229398) to every single agent statement. Lectrician1 (talk) 22:08, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Support -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 19:59, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would this work? telephone call (Q2296401)agent of actioncaller (Q113293705). Also, an alias (or better label) could be "done by", more usable than practiced by (P3095) for non-professions. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 22:12, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I actually was considering using telephone call (Q2296401) as an example! However, I think the what that item is describing is the act of talking to someone over a telephone. Not the act of calling someone on a telephone. The agent of a telephone call (Q2296401) is just a normal human then.

Good catch with the similarities to practiced by (P3095)! I almost thought for a second that we could maybe just broaden the scope and rename practiced by (P3095) to "done by" but then I realized that the domain of practiced by (P3095) includes "fields" which are not really actions. I think it's important to distinguish that this is meant for actions by maintaining "action" in the label. Lectrician1 (talk) 02:19, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment See my concerns with the related property proposal “object of action”. The examples given here make is appear as if those concerns mightn’t apply here, but already users are considering more general use of this proposed property like telephone call (Q2296401)‘agent of action’ (Pxxx)caller (Q113293705) (see above), which would be subject to those same concerns. ―BlaueBlüte (talk) 04:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The examples can be converted to use participant (P710), and we have officially opened by (P542) too. Midleading (talk) 03:09, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't use those properties for classes, though. Not sure why the only examples are for instance values, class values look much more valuable here to me. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 03:51, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, this property should be updated with class examples. But the problem with telephone call (Q2296401) is why the value is not Q5. We also have countless dailiy activities that every person can do. Perhaps the label should be "action performed by role" for telephone call (Q2296401). The significant overlap with practiced by (P3095) and participant (P710) is noted, and they have already used like this (crime (Q83267)→criminal (Q2159907), competition (Q841654)→contestant (Q5165152)) Midleading (talk) 08:26, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Question Is this intended to contrast with/be complemented by a (potential future) property patient of action (Pyyy)? For example:
Johann Philipp Reis demonstration of the Reis telephone to the Physical Society of Frankfurt (Q116504999)‘agent of action’ (Pxxx)Johann Philipp Reis (Q77124)
Johann Philipp Reis demonstration of the Reis telephone to the Physical Society of Frankfurt (Q116504999)patient of action (Pyyy)Physikalischer Verein (Q2089433)
(The ‘agent’ property would indicate who performs the action, the ‘patient’ property, to whom it happens.)―BlaueBlüte (talk) 03:15, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't "patient of action" "object of action"? Lectrician1 (talk) 05:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Intuitively I’d have (in the telephone example) associated the telephone with ‘object’, but yes, ‘patient’ and ‘object’ are probably hard to keep apart in any consistent way. ―BlaueBlüte (talk) 08:43, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Wd-Ryan, Midleading: Regarding the telephone-call example, note the close similarity with the dog-walking example in the proposal for a property “frame element” that attempts to capture actions from a frame-semantics angle. One might want to look into whether the frame-semantics approach is better-suited to statements over classes and the the approach proposed here, to statements over instances. At any rate, I think one and the same property should not be used for both class statements and instance statements. (A property like this here one but for class statements should have the distinctive interpretation of something like “instances have agents of type”.) Insofar I support the current choice of examples for this property proposal. ―BlaueBlüte (talk) 03:33, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support we need a generalized property to describe this kind of relationship, for example I suppose conjugation of gametes (Q11742512)→gamete (Q211050) and fertilization (Q14890574)→egg cell (Q1321695),sperm (Q17145). --Mzaki (talk) 01:25, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Question How about broadening the use of perpetrator (P8031) instead, removing the (un)ethical assessment? One man's terrorist... Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 08:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Maculosae tegmine lyncis Not a bad idea... I like it. @Arbnos @Wd-Ryan @Mzaki @BlaueBlüte @Midleading what do you think? Lectrician1 (talk) 00:28, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would strongly support this, I've been unable to add a group that performed an event without the implication that it was "immoral". It could be renamed to "done by". -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 02:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Having given this only a moderate amount of thought I’d say no (to broadening perpetrator (P8031)), because the domain of perpetrator (P8031) includes (instances of) classes that are not subclasses of action (Q4026292) as proposed here, but for example of occurrence (Q1190554). And instances of occurrence (Q1190554) can have multiple agents, only some of which might be considered perpetrator (P8031) (say, versus ‘victim’), a distinction that users of perpetrator (P8031) probably rely on.
But perpetrator (P8031) could perhaps be made a subproperty of this new property ‘agent of action’ (Pxxx) (although similar reservations might apply). ―BlaueBlüte (talk) 07:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, an important property for the completeness of Wikidata.--Arbnos (talk) 22:44, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is a more general method of indicating the participants of actions (including agents) proposed at Wikidata:WikiProject Events and Role Frames. Mahir256 (talk) 11:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

exception to constraint (lexeme)[edit]

On hold

Description	lexeme that is an exception to the constraint, qualifier to define a property constraint in combination with P2302
Data type	Lexeme
Domain	property
Example 1	Breton Favereau dictionary lexeme ID (P11068)single-value constraint (Q19474404) except korrandon (L628622)
Example 2	Breton Favereau dictionary lexeme ID (P11068)single-value constraint (Q19474404) except kaoc'h (L627729)
Example 3	DWDS lemma ID (P9940)single-value constraint (Q19474404) except Cyberstrategie (L905505)
Example 4	DWDS lemma ID (P9940)distinct-values constraint (Q21502410) except Bändel (L815181) and Bendel (L815180)
Example 5	Nynorskordboka-ID (P10041)distinct-values constraint (Q21502410) except daglegstove (L1141770) and daglegstue (L1141771)
See also	exception to constraint (P2303)

Motivation[edit]

For constraints, we need the equivalent of exception to constraint (P2303), but for lexemes. In particular, it is necessary for identifier properties used on lexemes (usually linking to dictionaries which often have a few weird exceptions like natural languages often have).

Notified participants of WikiProject property constraints

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 12:37, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Support - of course, since "element type" properties cannot be used on lexemes, this would be necessary --Hsarrazin (talk) 16:13, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support ―Eihel (talk) 16:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense. I'm only leaving out the vote because that will make it easier for me to create the property. Infrastruktur (talk) 18:40, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 11:03, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support AdamSeattle (talk) 16:52, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support --99of9 (talk) 05:25, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support --So9q (talk) 06:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Please keep in mind that, until the necessary software changes (in WikibaseQualityConstraints and/or KrBot) have been made, this property will have no effect except to confuse users why it isn’t working. There should at the very least be an associated Phabricator task, and IMHO the property should only be created once the Wikidata team has committed to implementing the support in WBQC soon. I’d like to avoid a repeat of Wikidata:Property proposal/applies if regular expression matches. --Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE) (talk) 11:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE): I figured that pretty much, thanks for the reminder and yes, indeed, we should absolutely Wait to hear from the dev team. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 18:36, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support Useful for some Lexemes. Solaris5296 (talk) 20:28, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

intervener[edit]

Under discussion

Description	name of a third-party group or person allowed to participate in a legal case
Represents	intervention (Q2292948)
Data type	Item
Domain	human (Q5), organization (Q43229)
Example 1	York University v Canadian Copyright Licensing Agency (Q108085698)→QThe Writers' Union of Canada (Q8038449)
Example 2	CCH Canadian Ltd. v. Law Society of Upper Canada (Q5009584)→QAccess Copyright (Q4672434)
Example 3	Eurobank Ergasias S.A. v. Bombardier inc. (Q125349256)→QCanadian Bankers Association (Q1032046)
Source	https://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/search-recherche-eng.aspx, e.g. https://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/af-ma-eng.aspx?cas=39856
Planned use	To create a Wikidata project for Canadian Supreme Court cases and to start populating SCC entries with this property
Number of IDs in source	"Interveners make submissions in about half of the cases heard by the Supreme Court of Canada" (https://digitalcommons.osgoode.yorku.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1086&context=ohlj)
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316)
See also	plaintiff (P1620), defendant (P1591)

Motivation[edit]

Half of Supreme Court of Canada decisions are made with third-parties called interveners and it has even been said that you can tell how important a case by the number of interveners allowed to weigh in on a pending legal decision (https://digitalcommons.osgoode.yorku.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4029&context=scholarly works) The role of interveners are of great interest to legal scholars, political scientists, and activists. At present, legal cases allow for a plaintiff and a respondent to be properties of a legal case, but not third party intervenes who are also allowed to present documents to the court. Interveners should be considered an 'input' to a legal decision and not an 'outcome' and as such, they don't belong as 'part of' a decision of the judges. Happy to clarify any of the above. Note: I've asked WikiProject Canadian law for comment. Copystar (talk) 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

model for and its inverse property modeled by[edit]

Under discussion

Description	what the subject is a conceptual or scientific model/theory for
Represents	model (Q1979154)
Data type	Item
Domain	item (instance of/subclass of conceptual model (Q2623243) or formula (Q976981) or model (Q1979154) or theory (Q17737)… )
Example 1	data model (Q1172480) → data (Q42848)
Example 2	database model (Q267136) → database (Q8513)
Example 3	abstract data type (Q827335) → data type (Q190087)
Example 4	Navier–Stokes equations (Q201321) → fluid dynamics (Q216320)
Example 5	Peano axioms (Q842755) → non-negative integer (Q28920052)
Example 6	hybrid system (Q2665508) → cyber-physical system (Q1120057)
See also	has role in modeling (P6530), computes solution to (P2159), approximation algorithm (P1171), is the study of (P2578) Property sometimes abused for this relationship : is the study of (P2578), for example used in the relativity theory item to link to spacetime.

Motivation[edit]

There are many conceptual models and formulas that are a model for some thing. It would be nice to be able to express these relations with a simple property instead of having to use awkward statements such as abstract data type (Q827335)subclass of (P279)mathematical model (Q486902)of (P642)data type (Q190087).

There is also has role in modeling (P6530) but that does not express the same relation "has role in modeling X" does not mean that it's a model for X ... but rather that it is a part of a model for X.

Other properties (by User:Fgnievinski like represents/represented by are misused to represent this relationship.

Previously: a 2016 proposal ; a more recent one (this one is basically a reopening of the previous more examples, from the discussion); User:Push-f, the creator of the last proposal, withdrew the proposal with reason I withdraw my proposal in favor of using statements like Xhas use (P366)scientific modeling (Q1116876)of (P642)Y, and the discussion was closed by a property creator asking for a new one, which is this one. There were only support the property.

I reopen because the model proposed by Push-f is using of (P642) qualifier on a usage Search statement which is deprecated, and because I think this is a genuine relationship, very common and many examples that deserves its own property. It's also simpler, note that the model does not seem to be much used only 4 results to a corresponding query.

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, YULdigitalpreservation, ArthurPSmith, Andrew Su, Salgo60, Andrawaag: @Yair rand: (also pinging the participants to the has role in modelling discussion as I discover this was the initial proposal and it is related to [the OBO discussion https://github.com/oborel/obo-relations/issues/288] that discussed more specific properties. author TomT0m / talk page 10:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Physics

Participants of the old discussion ping : @Push-f, The-erinaceous-one, Tinker Bell, Fgnievinski:

~~I reiterate my Support to the proposal. author TomT0m / talk page 10:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]

Being a proposer you don't have to vote for your own proposal. Please note that having your own vote does not give you an advantage when creating a property. See WD:PCC. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 00:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kirilloparma Please consider the circumstances, this is actually a reopening of an old proposal I actually voted for. It's recreated, actually, after the property creator closing which is actually questionable because the initial proposer closed it with a bad idea and the proposal actually had only support. Creating a regular proposal on Wikidata is usually an arduous journey, please don't be a cold actor making this actually more difficult. We have very few reviewers in a lot of cases, and this is the third attempt for this important and legitimate one. author TomT0m / talk page 15:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TomT0m: I understand, but there are certain criteria for property creation. When you create a proposal, it is already implied that you support it and in the course of the discussion other participants who see this proposal may or may not agree with it (as in this case based on the comments below), so your own vote is not necessary. Also your vote looks rather suspicious. Why suspicious? Because this way I might think that you are deliberately or mistakenly trying to confuse property creators, who seeing your single vote might end up creating the property in question, which is against WD:PCC. In short: you don't have to vote for your own property, because as soon as you create a proposal it is already assumed that you support it. An additional vote in favor can only raise questions from the property creators, since such an action could be considered as vote manipulation. I hope I've made myself clear. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 02:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No/reject. I'm responding to the posting over at WPPhys. My knee-jerk reaction is that this is a terrible idea, demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of physics and/or science in general. If you're going to link spacetime to general relativity, then what happened to Newton or Cartan or MOND? Are you pronouncing all these other theories of spacetime to be bad/wrong/rejected? What about Kaluza Klein? Is your space-time 5-dimensional, with hidden dimensions? Kaluza-Klein did their work in the 1920's; Einstein himself spent decades on it, its a foundational concept in string theory, but you're going to reject it because you've got some preconceived notion about spacetime that matches what the folks on reddit talk about? As to the equations themselves: they also apply to fluid mechanics, and to configurations of lattices, e.g. the black hole solution (schwarzschild solution) is a soliton, that is, a Lax pair, (Belinski-Zakharov), so are you going to link Lax pairs to gravitation? Or to water (KdV eqn) or to nuclear physics (say, Skyrme model)? The QCD confinemnt of the skyrme model, the quarks can be unconfined by shrinking Einstein spacetime to about 3-4 times the size of a nucleus, at which point, the Skyrmion kind of melts and releases all the quarks: confinement is gone, due to high local space-time curvature. So is nuclear physics all about space-time, now? Yes, I've written a tirade here, but the point is to show that classifying relationships in the sciences are necessarily vague and tenuous when they're correct, and inhibit forward progress, becoming dangerous when enforced by some cultural committee. 67.198.37.16 17:38, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can link several theories to one kind of objects, this is not a monopolistic claim, no problem with that, it's just a claim about what theory is about what kind of object is all. You can link both Newton and MOND and Cartan to "spacetime" if that's relevant. author TomT0m / talk page 17:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will you link space-time to 5-dimensional spacetime? There are several kinds of 5D spacetimes: the KK one, mentioned above, but also the recent results on 5D black holes with naked singularities and Cauchy horizons. They're two different kinds of 5D spacetimes. Then of course, the affine lie algebras are 26-dimensional spacetimes, unless they're fermionic, in which case they're 10-D. The obvious solution is to say "if wikipedia article X has a wikilink to topic Y in it, then X and Y are related". But to try to then say "the relationship between X and Y is that of theory and model" runs afoul of the details. 67.198.37.16 18:05, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(p.s. looking at above examples: the descriptive set theory people and the reverse mathematics people might not like your link of peano axioms to the non-negative integers. Seems like a flawed understanding of what the peano axioms are trying to do, and what they are actually used for, in day-to-day applications: how people actually use them, and what they are good for, as opposed to the ostensible "thing they describe": They describe a fragment of set theory; that fragment has a model which happens to include the non-negative integers. But what matters are the results of model theory, and not that one possible model just happens to be the non-negative integers.) 67.198.37.16 17:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Peano axioms are used to define the integers, in a formal model, and addition, etc. The fact that there are other models is not a problem for this property, as already said before.

As for your previous point, this property is not intended to solve all the problems nor to model every possible relationship like "this article as a link to that other one", this is nonsense. But yes, N-dimensional theories about spacetime may be link to space and time, what would precisely be the problem ? author TomT0m / talk page 18:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(anyway, the sentence about the links on Wikipedia pages seems to imply you are kind of against the whole Wikidata idea, so … why coming here commenting, upset about me talking about this on enwiki ?) author TomT0m / talk page 19:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could somebody explain why the property 'objet of a theory' is not sufficient to link a theory to an object ? The idea of model (in science) has been much discussed in history of science and it is historically strange to apply this for instance to the Peano axioms. Perhaps, one should change the name of "object of a theory" to "important object in or for a theory", but "model" for me describes a very specific type of link (perhaps too specific for a property in Wikidata, as it may lead to debates, depending on one's epistemologic views). Thank you in advance. --Cgolds (talk) 09:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cgolds What property are you referring to precisely is the study of (P2578) (it's intended to link academic fields to their objects) ? has role in modeling (P6530) (which may fit but I find the example stranges, it links gene items to deseases) ? I can't find anything searching that label.

I understand that in "model theory" in maths indeed this is kind of reversed, as the "specification" (the axioms) and the objects that have theses properties (natural numbers for peano axioms) are called "models" of the theory, so yes, the term seems to be a bit off but this is the exception ? If we look at the article about « fr:Modèle scientifique », although there are not many sources, kind of reflects what is usually understand as a scientific model nowdays, and it's in that sense I think it's used.

For I dug a bit, because the "gene - disease" relationship seems way to broad, a gene is not by itself a model or a theory for a disease in any sense, that's why they renamed it : see this related discussion on the OBO ontology in link with the discussion on Wikidata about the proposal. They are talking about more specific relationships if needed, in relationship with Wikidata, and I think that's exactly related to this proposal. A gene may indeed "has a role" in modeling a disease, but it's usually far from being a whole model by itself ? They broadened the label from "is model of" to "has role in modelling" out of practical problems it seems, because it was in practice or they wanted to use it like that. I think Wikidata is larger so I think we could benefit from clarity. author TomT0m / talk page 10:00, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TomT0m I was indeed refering to objet de la discipline (P2578), but if I understand you well, this property means "what is the object(ive) of the discipline" (and it would have been better to call it "subject" then :), not "an important object of the discipline". Or is your problem with "discipline" instead of "theory" ? It is true that "model" is not very appropriate for mathematics, but even in physics you may have a lot of discussions (see above !). For the (general) relativity theory, I understood that it modelizes gravitation more than spacetime (although of course the issue theory vs model(ization) is already a difficult topic). We are looking for for "object playing an important role in" or something of the kind. Cgolds (talk) 11:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cgolds yes, this is this meaning, "objet" have both meanings this may be ambiguous (I think I proposed the property, and it was labelled study of but properties have a way of living their life in Wikidata, I can't fully tell what happened after). I make a difference between the process of studying something and the body of knowledge this process produces. Theories and models are output. If physics eventually everything is bound to model the real world if you take a realistic point of view, which I think we should do. Something else like "nominalism" is self-referential, in practice we reflect visions and descriptions of the world, but … how different visions are tight to each over ?

I don't think it's a problem to model both gravity and spacetime, why should this be exclusive. Although yes, "spacetime" if you look at the wikipedia articles like en:spacetime is actually defined as a class of model in which space and time are intimately tight. But in the real world it can be translated as "if we take two clocks in two referentials that moves relatively fast from each other you cannot get them synchronised, you have to take into account there speed relative to each other (and the mass repartition, for GR) to make sense of it.

There is also the distinction of a theory and a model, a theory can be entirely abstract but if you want to make a model of the world, say a climate model, you have to take measures and datas from the real world to feed the equations, of course. Is it a real problem here ?

"object playing an important role in" really feels like a catch all almost meaningless relationship. The question is "but what role is this ? What kind of importance" ? (oh, it's too hard and philosophical, so we gave up). If you can link almost anything to almost anything it's probably a bad idea, I think we should avoid such properties. We have a couple of them like facet of (P1269) that people sometimes use when they don't know what to use. I think it's not really good because we don't then make the effort of asking ourselve if there is a more precise and purposeful relationship that could be created.

To take the example of a climate model and the earth climate "has a role in modeling" is really an understatement. "simulates" would be a much better choice. author TomT0m / talk page 17:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have a real problem with this, because space-time and gravitation do not play the same role in (general) relativity theory. Would you say that Newton's theory modelizes space (or time for that matter) ? Space and time (or later space-time) is a constituent/a fundamental element of the theory, but the theory does not modelize (or theoretize or simulates or ... whatever is your philosophical viewpoint on the issue) it. A climate model modelizes the earth climate, but neither the earth nor the PDEs at the basis of the model (if it is a model with PDEs). Perhaps we need indeed two properties, something like "modelizes" (gravition, earth climate etc) and something like "is a constituent of" or "a constitutive element of" or something of the kind (space-time, PDE, ...). It would be nice to have some other inputs, would not it ? Cgolds (talk) 18:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

pacing[edit]

Under discussion

Description	video game mechanic based on the rhythm of the player's actions
Data type	Item
Example 1	Civilization: Call to Power (Q1027136)→turn-based (Q74023227)
Example 2	Madden NFL 24 (Q119238637)→real-time (Q74023731)
Example 3	Fallout 76 (Q54497595)→persistent world (Q736958)

Motivation[edit]

The video games have different types of rhythm mechanic. They can be divided into three or even four categories: turn-based, real-time, persistent (and even medidative or zen, when the goal of the video game is to relax the player).

Nevertheless, there is not a real specific property for this. That's why I suggest this one.

Nota: in French, we could translate it by "rythme narratif", but if you have a better suggestion, please let me know. :)

Notified participants of WikiProject Video games

YotaMoteuchi (talk) 01:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Comment I don't think we should put 'rhythm' in the English label (maybe in the aliases, however) because rhythm game (Q2632782) has stronger associations with that word in the context of video games. timekeeping in games (Q4421045) seems to be the main topic but that doesn't lend itself to a property label... Here's a perhaps-relevant Listeria list: WD:WikiProject Video games/Statistics/game mechanic Arlo Barnes (talk) 01:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In English, the label should be 'pacing' which is used very often in other sites or databases. YotaMoteuchi (talk) 17:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'Pacing' sounds fine to me. Arlo Barnes (talk) 13:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Wouldn't it be better to use game mechanics (P4151) here? Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 02:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't recommend game mechanics (P4151) here. Indeed, if you refer to the discussion of the property proposal Wikidata:Property proposal/Système de jeu, you will see that it has been proposed for role games and gamebooks. That's why I suggest this 'Pacing' property. YotaMoteuchi (talk) 17:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

game mechanics (P4151) is used for video games as well. For instance, you may find it used for open world games. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 20:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see that game mechanics (P4151) is now used for video games, which detracts from the origin of the property. I think we're using a polysemantic word for a lot of unrelated things. Wouldn't using a more specific property be more appropriate? YotaMoteuchi (talk) 07:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kirilloparma: would you like to give your opinion based on the response? Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 06:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kirilloparma:, would you like to give your final opinion based on the response? Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 12:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@YotaMoteuchi: Well, I'm not exactly saying that we don't need a specific property. It's just that if you look at the {{Games properties}} template in the "All Games" category, you can see that there are some properties related to games, board games and video games that are reciprocally used and that's why we don't have for example a separate property called "video game mechanics" because we already have a semantically correct game mechanics (P4151) property. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 02:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that point of view. On another hand, some properties are quite similar (on another subect, for example, based on (P144) and inspired by (P941)) and it's not very easy to know if we need a more specific property in some cases.

Here, as I said Property:P4151 is a little mishmash, that's why I suggested this property. YotaMoteuchi (talk) 12:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kirilloparma:, shall we proceed? Or do you have any objections? Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 19:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support with label/description that clearly differentiates it from similar properties. Arlo Barnes (talk) 13:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak oppose~~ This can often be inferred from the genre. If applicable, genre (P136)turn-based strategy video game (Q2176159) or genre (P136)real-time strategy (Q208189) should be used instead. Use game mechanics (P4151)persistent world (Q736958) for consistency with game mechanics (P4151)open world (Q867123). Dexxor (talk) 06:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here too, game mechanics (P4151) shouldn't be used as I said before. Regarding the way it can be inferred from the genre, sometimes, a same game can refer to two types of 'pacing'. FF12 have a "real-time" pacing when you are walking over the world and a "turn-based" when you fight agains monsters. So, a genre is not always a good way to infer the 'pacing'. YotaMoteuchi (talk) 17:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dexxor:, any changes in your opinion based on the response? Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 12:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kirilloparma, Dexxor: pining for attention. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 07:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ZI Jony: I change my !vote to

Weak support because pcgamingwiki.com also has a pacing property. Dexxor (talk) 11:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support Seems reasonable to have a more specific term for the pacing of video games. –MrBenjo (talk) 07:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait / Oppose I actually agree we need something like that (I have long been thinking of something along these lines), but I think the proposal is under-developed. For the video game part of things, I would us to have a clearer picture of acceptable values (are the 3 in examples the only ones? Would Active Time Battle (Q1796885) for example be acceptable?), have mappings to other ontologies (does the Video Game Metadata Schema (Q61572854) have something like that?) and databases (what do Moby, IGDB, Glitchwave do here?). Does the future property also make sense for eg board games? The proposal is called “rythme narratif” in French, does it mean we need to involve Wikiproject Narration? Also, I don’t think property proposals are the best place to hold such discussions, and that we really should talk about such things beforehand. This is expected to be a major data modelling addition for a domain with close to 100K items, and it would go ahead with a bare 3 "weak support"? I think we need more work and more consensus here. Jean-Fred (talk) 06:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Also, for clarity: I would be more than happy to help with that work (research and consensus-building) ; but the timing of that proposal did not work great for me this time. I don’t blame ZI Jony for trying to move things forwards (indeed, without you, the proposal would have died down!) but I think the shorter lifecycle of property proposals can be at odds with the necessary research/discussion time) Jean-Fred (talk) 06:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Jean-Frédéric. Just for answering you regarding some points.

I didn't found any pacing property on Video Game Metadata Schema (Q61572854). I can tell the same for IGDB or Glitchwave.

Anyway, for Mobygames (and to tell the truth, it's this website who inspired this property here), we can found this category with the following genres: Meditative / Zen, Persistent, Real-time and Turn-based.

This category can be also found on PCGamingWiki which is adding the Continuous turn-based genre.

Checking some other websites, I found also that we could add a sub-genre of "real-time"; it could be "real-time with pause", but I guess it's the case for any "real-time" game (or 99% of these games) which should use a pause key or anthing like that.

For the board games, yes, I would suggest a "turn-based" value.

Regarding the French proposal, I tried to translate it and only found the expression "rythme narratif". I know that it's not the best translation but I couldn't find any French expression around the websites which could describe this property. Do you have another suggestion?

YotaMoteuchi (talk) 22:43, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎is ontological root of[edit]

Under discussion

Description	forms the root element of the ontology
Data type	Item
Example 1	anatomical entity (Q27043950)→Uberon (Q7876491)
Example 2	entity (Q35120)→Basic Formal Ontology (Q4866972)
Example 3	chemical entity (Q43460564)→ChEBI (Q902623)
Wikidata project	WikiProject Ontology (Q60005226)

Motivation[edit]

Replacing the usage of of (P642) in this context. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by ChristianKl (talk • contribs) at 16:33, April 25, 2024‎ (UTC).

Discussion[edit]

Comment How many ontologies are there, which would have values for this property? Isn't this handled in some way by the exact match (P2888) property or something like that? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's relatively typical for Ontologies to have root elements, so probably hundreds or thousands. exact match (P2888) does not contain information about what are root elements. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 23:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That might be specified by a qualifier like chemical entity (Q43460564)exact match (P2888)http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/CHEBI_24431object has role (P3831)ontological root (Q104054982)? --Mormegil (talk) 06:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

located in the Islamic territorial entity[edit]

Under discussion

Description	the item is located on the territory of the following Islamic entity.
Represents	religious administrative entity (Q51041800)
Data type	Item
Domain	mosque (Q32815), zawiya (Q2001465), madrasa (Q132834)
Example 1	Djamaa El Djazaïr (Q23012984) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Algiers Province (Q24258994)
Example 2	Djamaa El Kebir (Q2386475) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Algiers Province (Q24258994)
Example 3	Djamaa al-Djedid (Q12192958) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Algiers Province (Q24258994)
Example 4	Sidi Ramdan Mosque (Q25453836) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Algiers Province (Q24258994)
Example 5	Ketchaoua Mosque (Q2471799) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Algiers Province (Q24258994)
Example 6	Zawiyet Sidi Boumerdassi (Q42332257) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Boumerdès Province (Q125856395)
Example 7	Zawiyet Sidi Ali Debbaghi (Q54863342) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Boumerdès Province (Q125856395)
Example 8	Zawiyet Sidi Saadi (Q54863339) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Boumerdès Province (Q125856395)
Example 9	Al-Fath Mosque (Q110236574) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Boumerdès Province (Q125856395)
Example 10	Uthman ibn Affan Mosque (Q110288564) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Boumerdès Province (Q125856395)
Example 11	Abderrahmane Ibn Khaldun Mosque (Q110245483) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Boumerdès Province (Q125856395)
Example 12	Jabir ibn Hayyan Mosque (Q110245385) → Religious Affairs Directorate of Boumerdès Province (Q125856395)
See also	located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity (P5607), located in the administrative territorial entity (P131), located in statistical territorial entity (P8138)

Motivation[edit]

As for administrative units, it is useful to have a property to indicate the Islamic unity in which is located a mosque (Q32815), a zawiya (Q2001465), a madrasa (Q132834), etc. --Soufiyouns (talk) 09:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Question Why not extend located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity (P5607) instead? --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 16:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Good point from Tinker Bell. An item like this would generally not have multiple different religions applying, so it should be clear that "ecclesiastical" for a Muslim facility would be the appropriate Islamic territory. And if something did have multiple values, the value should make clear what sort of religious hierarchy was involved anyway. So I can't see any problem with asserting that located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity (P5607) applies equally well to the Islamic territorial assignments. Some additional aliases would probably be needed. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, if there is a concern that ecclesiastical refers to churches, not mosques, then that term should be relabelled "religious". I don't think we want properties for named religions. Vicarage (talk) 16:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Tinker Bell, ArthurPSmith, Vicarage: Thank you for your very informative comments. I think it would be better to rename and relabel the located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity (P5607) property so that it can encompass all religions. The example of the school district (P5353) property is here to show the usefulness of generic names that can be used in all countries and by all religions. Indeed, the term clergy (Q177826) is not specific to Christianity (Q5043), and we find in Islamic culture (Q1340372) quite comparable territorial and hierarchical terms such as sheikhdom (Q2706826), Tariqa (Q816321), hawza (Q1385497) to which structures such as a mosque (Q32815), a zawiya (Q2001465), a madrasa (Q132834), etc., are affiliated. Regards. --Soufiyouns (talk) 13:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that reusing located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity (P5607) would be better. Maybe, we can rename that to "located in the religious territorial entity"? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 09:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎Yandex.Music track ID[edit]

Ready ^Create

Description	Yandex.Music track ID
Data type	External identifier
Domain	audio track (Q7302866)
Example 1	The Knot (Q109795369) -> 3639885/track/30124805
Example 2	The bandits (Q113149889) -> 3639147/track/30168054
Example 3	The Time Will Come (Progress Studies Humans' Behavior) (Q106098098) -> 25575448/track/113143569

Motivation[edit]

For Yandex.Music we already have label, genre, artist, album - lets add track. Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 17:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Support Tracks are an important musical release component, therefore if Yandex is already offering property IDs for the above, adding this new one makes sense. Youyouca (talk) 13:04, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

address of addressee[edit]

Under discussion

Description	address of the address e.g. on a postcard
Data type	Monolingual text
Example 1	A trip to Meissen (Q92739714)address of addresseeLeipziger Straße 57
Example 2	Ausstellungspalast (Q109104529)address of addresseeBerliner Straße 24
Example 3	Q109106149address of addresseeTilsiter Straße 41
Planned use	I plan to use the property for the WikiProject Postcards on Commons

Motivation[edit]

The motivation of this proposal is to capture the data of backsides of postcards via SDC on Wikimedia Commons. So this property is thought to be mainly used as structured data on Commons, but can also be used for other items on Wikidata. The idea was first discussed here. The property should be used in combination with the properties street, housenumber, point in time and coordinate location. --CuratorOfThePast (talk) 11:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Oppose When it comes to the name of the sender of a post card, I would say that the sender is the author (P50) of the post card. The property for the addressee on the other hand is addressee (P1817). If we don't have a Wikidata item for either you can use unknown value Help with subject named as (P1810).

We have street address (P6375) that could be used as a qualifier on author (P50)/addressee (P1817). I don't see a need for a new property. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 13:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a super big fan of using author (P50) for something like this because it can be confused with the postcard publisher, illustrator/photographer of the postcard, Etc. Etc. In otherwards there's nothing inherent to "author" that makes it relate to the person who wrote the message on the card. Which is kind of the point. I think that's made clear by the fact that "also known as" includes terms like "maker" and "creator." So it would be cool if there was a property specifically for the writer of the message on the postal item instead of us just forcing us to use one that's so general it's essentially meaningless. Personally, I'd like to see separate properties for "sender", "sender address", "receiver", and "receiver address." I don't think addressee (P1817) alone really cuts it. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The description for addressee is "person or organization to whom a letter or note is addressed". How is that different from "receiver"? What issue do you see with using street address (P6375) as a qualifier? I think there's value to having a standardized way within Wikidata to specify an address.

I see the argument for a separate property for sender. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 09:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ChristianKl: I guess it's semantics or how American English works but "addressee" isn't a super intuitive word. I think that's reflected in Google Search results for the term though. "People also ask: "Is the addressee the sender or receiver?", "What is the difference between addressee and address?" Etc. Etc. I guess it doesn't really matter, something being standardized also kind of insinuates it's universally understandable. --Adamant1 (talk) 23:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When it comes to the decision about whether or not to create new properties, it's important to look at the actual property. To the extend that a name of a property is hard to understand, the solution would be to change the name and not to create another property for the same content with a different name. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 00:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's understandable. Although I wouldn't think its good to change the name of a property on a dime either. But then what would be the name of a comparable property to it for the address of the person sending the postal item, Addresser? Author address?--Adamant1 (talk) 05:08, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, changing the name of properties on a dime either. That's why it's generally important to put a lot of thought into creating new properties and don't create them willy-nilly.

As I said above,there's no good reason to have a property for "address of the person sending the postal item" and for the person receiving it. street address (P6375) used as qualifier does the job. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 09:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ChristianKl: Not to argue about it but if you look at the "Also known as" terms for street address (P6375) they include "address", "mailing address", "postal address" Etc. Etc. and the description simply says "full street address where subject is located." What we want here is a way to include both the sender and receiver's addresses as separate properties and there's nothing inherent to the term "subject" or "address" that says street address (P6375) is inherently (or exclusively) about the "address of the person sending the postal item." Essentially all I'm asking for in the meantime is that ""mailing address" be separated from the (clearly ambiguous) property for "address." And sure we could just use street address (P6375) for mailing address, but I'm telling as someone who has worked in the area for years on Commons that it doesn't work for what we want. Since "full street address where subject is located" can be either the address of the sender or receiver depending on the situation and we need something more specific. --Adamant1 (talk) 00:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you would use A trip to Meissen (Q92739714)street address (P6375)Leipziger Straße 57, that would be ambiguous. On the other hand if you use it as a qualifier and say A trip to Meissen (Q92739714)addressee (P1817)unknown value Helpstreet address (P6375)Leipziger Straße 57 there's no ambiguity.

It's worth noting here that if the postcards are notable enough to be saved and a person receives multiple postcards in many cases it will be good to have an item for that person, so that unknown value Help is not needed. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 12:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But this way is not sufficient if your regular postcard is still notable but doesnt have a notable person on it. Still the person could be named more than once on a postcard. This will result in having many unknown values with no future intention of creating an corresponding item. I feel like this is against the intention of unknown values. It would be better in that case to use a suitable property for capturing data of the address sides of postcards. Also a dedicated property would a allow a straight forward query etc. of the data. This is now for some reason not possible. By the way I added a bunch of postcards with addressee and named as as qualifier and they do not show up in the query for the property for addresee: (Example) CuratorOfThePast (talk) 12:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not against the intention of unknown values. The documention explicitely says "Unknown value may also mean the value is a known object, but that there's currently no Wikidata item about the object. However, in this case it is strongly recommended to create an item for the object, if it meets the notability policy."

With the two expectation of author name string (P2093) and affiliation string (P6424). In those case we speak about tens of millions of items. If you say this will result in many such values, do we really have hundred of thousands items that fall under these criteria in commons? I would have guessed that we are talking here about a few thousand files which is not a significant amount? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 17:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's currenty around 400,000 images of postcards on Commons that have been categorized, about 20,000 more that we know of, and whatever number hasn't been found yet. admittedly we don't have images of the backsides to a lot of those and not all of the ones that we have images of them for are mailed, but there's got to be more them just a few thousand that are and I'd like to extend this to other postal items if its possible. Tangential to that, but it would at least be good if there was a solution to "addresee" not showing up in search queries if this doesn't end up going anywhere. Otherwise the whole thing just seems kind of pointless. Adamant1 (talk) 10:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎has semantic role[edit]

Under discussion

Description	item that describes a role in an event class
Data type	Item
Domain	item, occurrence (Q1190554)
Example 1	military offensive (Q2001676)has semantic roleattacker (Q31924059)
Example 2	military offensive (Q2001676)has semantic roledefender (Q111729140)
Example 3	throwing (Q12898216)has semantic roleactor (Q23894381)
Example 4	throwing (Q12898216)has semantic roletarget (Q1047579)
Example 5	throwing (Q12898216)has semantic roleprojectile (Q49393)
Planned use	add to (possibly newly created) items describing occurrences/actions
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)

This proposal replaces the following property proposals:

event role, role in event, selectional preference, event argument and argument type

Motivation[edit]

All eventualities, including events, states, actions and processes, have core semantic roles, as illustrated by widely used resources such as FrameNet, VerbNet and PropBank. “Eating" has an "eater" and something "eaten"; "throwing" has the "thrower", the "target" and the "projectile". These roles are not optional. Every act of "eating" has an "eater" and something "eaten" independently of how it is expressed and in what language. While Wikidata has over 300 existing properties for roles in event instances (e.g., participant (P710), victim (P8032), there are very few that are used with event/process classes. The two most common are practiced by (P3095) and uses (P2283). The vast majority of event/process classes have no statements describing semantic roles. Our proposed “has semantic role” property is designed to fill this gap. Existing properties like practiced by (P3095), which is used with items such as eater (Q20984678), should become a subproperty of (P1647) of “has semantic role”. The Wikidata item of this property (P1629) will be semantic role (Q117747915) which currently does not have a corresponding property. We do not want to duplicate information that is already present, but rather integrate within a coherent, consistent overarching framework.

The object of “has semantic role” property will be an item that describes the role. Whenever possible, we will find an existing item such as eater (Q20984678), otherwise, we will create a new item. We also want to provide a broad characterization of the type of role it is, such as Actor or Undergoer, as explained in the Semantic Roles subsection below.

We will use PropBank (Q7250039), the largest repository of structured event, process and action descriptions (over 11,000 role sets) to identify the existing or missing event/process items and add their semantic role statements.

For instance, Item work (Q268378) can map to the PropBank work.01 roleset. The item has a statement work (Q268378)has part(s) (P527)task (Q759676) which is similar to PropBank’s “job, project”, Theme (ARG1-PPT). PropBank also lists several other roles that are missing from the Wikidata item. Of these, the ‘worker’ or Actor role (ARG0-PAG) should certainly be added, and probably the employer (Affectee, ARGX-GOL). See the subsection on Semantic Roles for definitions of Actor and Undergoer. We could either use the generic “has semantic role” proposed property, or any of the properties we have identified below as potential subproperties of “has semantic role” (i.e., adding statements such as work (Q268378)practiced by (P3095)worker (Q327055) and work (Q268378)has characteristic (P1552)employer (Q3053337).

Integrating “has semantic role” with existing properties

Wikidata has several properties that already highlight critical semantic relations between eventualities and their participants. We can relate the existing properties such as practiced by (P3095) to "has semantic role" using statements such as practiced by (P3095)subproperty of (P1647)has semantic role. We envision “has semantic role” as the most general, and therefore the top of a simple hierarchy that would include, at a minimum, the following properties: practiced by (P3095), uses (P2283), has characteristic (P1552), has part(s) (P527), has cause (P828), has effect (P1542). (These properties can have other subproperty of (P1647) statements as well.)

We have done some manual inspection of the current usage of the above properties. practiced by (P3095) can typically be relied upon to describe the Actor of an eventuality, i.e., {{Statement|Q213449|P3095|Q20984678)” and marketing (Q39809)practiced by (P3095)marketer (Q1900657).

Item uses (P2283) also describes instruments associated with eventualities coloring (Q2022532)uses (P2283)colourant (Q911922), or grinding (Q26882416)uses (P2283)mill (Q44494) but can also be much more variable, for exa mple, sometimes describing an Undergoer relationship eating (Q213449)uses (P2283)food (Q2095) or even an Actor relationship transport (Q7590)uses (P2283)agent (Q24229398).

The remaining properties describe semantic roles variously; budget (Q41263)has characteristic (P1552)budget constraint (Q605095) and marketing (Q39809)has part(s) (P527)product (Q2424752) which both describe Undergoer relationships.

These properties can all describe semantic roles, but which roles they describe can sometimes be ambiguous. We propose using an existing WD qualifier object has role (P3831) to make such roles unambiguous, using PropBank as our guide, e.g., budget (Q41263)has characteristic (P1552)budget constraint (Q605095)object has role (P3831)undergoer (Q111335542).

Semantic Roles

When no value exists for a given qualifier (e.g., worker for the actor of a working event), a set of semantic roles (e.g., actor (Q23894381), undergoer (Q111335542) will be used. Below is a table listing these semantic roles, adopted from the Uniform Meaning Representation project and used by PropBank, which have been carefully reviewed to ensure that they accommodate cross-linguistic typological variation (Bonial et al. 2011 A Hierarchical Unification of LIRICS and VerbNet Semantic Roles (Q118174236), Van Gysel et al, 2021 Designing a Uniform Meaning Representation for Natural Language Processing (Q115519832)). For the most part we will be relying on existing Wikidata Thematic Relation definitions to realize our PropBank semantic roles, as illustrated in this table. It shows how existing items will be used and ensures forwards and backwards compatibility with no disruption to Wikidata structures that may already be in use. This systematic approach also ensures that future items added to WD will be able to utilize this system to benefit from the enriched event representation.

Semantic Roles
Semantic Role	Wikidata item	Semantic Role	Wikidata item	Semantic Role	Wikidata item
Actor	actor (Q23894381)	instrument	instrument (Q6535309)	Cause	cause (Q2574811)
Causer	agent (Q392648)	Start	origin (Q3885844)	Temporal	duration (Q2199864) time (Q12322185) Frequency (Q125995799)
Force	force (Q126009669)	Goal	goal (Q109405570)	Extent	extent (Q125953445)
Undergoer	undergoer (Q111335542) patient (Q170212)	Companion	companion (Q106645134)	Manner	means (Q12774177)
Theme	theme (Q118826633)	Material/Source	material (Q214609) source (Q31464082)	Reason	cause (Q2574811)
Recipient	recipient (Q20820253) addressee (Q19720921)	Place	location (Q109377685)	Purpose	cause (Q2574811)
Experiencer	experiencer (Q1242505)	Affectee	affectee (Q125995757)	Attribute	attribute (Q109674924)
Stimulus	stimulus (Q109566760)	Direction	direction (Q2151613)	Result	result (Q2995644)

Anatole Gershman (talk) 17:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Comment @ChristianKl, Peter F. Patel-Schneider, Arademaker, Swpb, ArthurPSmith: from the previous proposals. Mahir256 (talk) 17:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To get the easiest out of the way first, what does the German town of Mittenwalde (Q574811) have to do with "Purpose"?

The description speaks of "event class" but neither throwing (Q12898216) nor military offensive (Q2001676) are events in our ontology. Given that I made that point a few times already, why are you still talking about event classes? Event class is a term foreign for Wikidata and also not everyday language where you can expect that everyone will understand it the same way.

It's unclear to me what the word semantic does here. Items are not words or their labels. Labels are semantic objects and point to concepts (items). If you actually want to speak about semantic entities, we have lexemes. throw (L28480) is a semantic entity. I would see less of an issue if this proposal would switch to focus on lexemes instead of focusing on items.

throwing (Q12898216)has semantic roleactor (Q23894381) seems to be a good example of why the proposal is problematic. It somehow tries to store information about who does the throwing but it doesn't let us know that pitcher (Q1048902) is someone who throws. So in total I Oppose this proposal as well. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not so worried about "event" as the current proposal includes actions. Just replace that wording with something better, perhaps occurence. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 15:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Also see this list of actions that don't have specific parent classes: User:Wd-Ryan/Basic_actions. A lot of work to be done to model actions on Wikidata. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 03:36, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The proposal needs complete examples to see how it would work, including not just the information associated with event classes but also information associated with event instances. Without such examples it is hard to determine just what the proposal involves.

For example, the proposal appears to indicate that the information added to the military offensive (Q2001676) action class contains two values for "has semantic role", namely attacker (Q31924059) and defender (Q111729140). But how does this impact information on instances of military offensive (Q2001676), such as Petsamo–Kirkenes Offensive (Q705222), which has two values for participant (P710)? The proposal seems to indicate that this is done (for existing properties) by making them subproperties of "has semantic role". The proposal then appears to go on and say that there should be two values for participant (P710) on military offensive (Q2001676).

But this is bad modelling. Properties like participant (P710) are for individual actions like Petsamo–Kirkenes Offensive (Q705222) not classes like military offensive (Q2001676). The relationship between participant (P710) and "has semantic role" is not subproperty. So the method of integrating existing properties with "has semantic role" is flawed and something different needs to be done, perhaps making the values of "has semantic role" be properties.

The proposal is also silent on how it should work in a clean state. Consider again Petsamo–Kirkenes Offensive (Q705222). What should be added to it and to military offensive (Q2001676) and possibly to other items to convey the information that the attacker in this action is Soviet Union (Q15180) and the defender is Nazi Germany (Q7318) if there were no relevant existing properties in Wikidata? How this is to be done needs to be shown for the proposal to be acceptable.

So

Oppose unless these points are addressed. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 15:39, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

military offensive (Q2001676) properties for this type (P1963) participant (P710) is the existing syntax to say that Petsamo–Kirkenes Offensive (Q705222) should have participant (P710) statements. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 19:58, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. A better version of "has semantic role" would make it a subproperty of properties for this type (P1963) and change the values from classes to properties. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 00:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How would it then differ from properties for this type (P1963)? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 09:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would specialize properties for this type (P1963). properties for this type (P1963) is for any property that should normally have a value for instances of a class. "has semantic role" would be for properties that are semantic roles and that have to have a value for instances of an event/action/... (but the value or values might not be present in Wikidata). But maybe this is too fine a distinction and properties for this type (P1963) is what should be used to signal semantic roles. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 13:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is an important point that we discussed in our previous proposal but should have addressed here. The object of the proposed property is an item that describes the role. It is not a role filler itself. In the example of military offensive (Q2001676), the item attacker (Q31924059) describes the attacker role. The actual attacker in an instance of a military offensive does not have to descend from attacker (Q31924059). We could add statements to attacker (Q31924059) that specify selectional preferences for the role fillers (e.g., that they should descend from military (Q8473)). Petsamo–Kirkenes Offensive (Q705222) is an instance of military offensive (Q2001676) and it has two participant (P710) statements with objects: Soviet Union (Q15180) and Nazi Germany (Q7318) without specifying which participant was the attacker and which was the defender. We propose to add the "object has role (P3831)" qualifier to these statements: "attacker (Q31924059)participant (P710)Soviet Union (Q15180)object has role (P3831)attacker (Q31924059)" and "attacker (Q31924059)participant (P710)Nazi Germany (Q7318)object has role (P3831)defender (Q111729140)". As you correctly stated, participant (P710) is for instances while "has semantic role" is for classes. We do not propose to subordinate participant (P710) to "has semantic role". I hope this clarification helps. Anatole Gershman (talk) 22:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment appears to contradict `We can relate the existing properties such as practiced by (P3095) to "has semantic role" using statements such as practiced by (P3095) subproperty of (P1647) has semantic role' so I am now confused. Fully worked-out examples would help (provided that they match the proposal wording) and object has role (P3831) is not in the proposal so at the very least this important facet needs to be included in the proposal itself. These examples should say what is and what is not allowed. For example, can any statement on Petsamo–Kirkenes Offensive (Q705222) be annotated with object has role (P3831) no matter the type of the value? Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 23:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In our analysis, "practiced by (P3095)" is one of the very few properties that are used with event/action classes. So, indeed, it would become a subproperty of (P1647) "has semantic role" in our proposal. Another example is "uses (P2283)". There are 300+ properties (including participant (P710)) that are used exclusively with event/action instances and whose objects are the actual role fillers. We do not propose to subordinate them to "has semantic role", but we suggest using the "object has role (P3831)" qualifier to indicate the role their objects are playing. You are right that we should include the whole example and the use of the "object has role (P3831)" qualifier in the main body of the proposal. We will do that. On the "what's allowed and what is not" question, we can only offer guidelines. Thank you. Anatole Gershman (talk) 00:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, there are only a few properties that you will make suproperties of "has semantic role". Do you have an exhaustive list? One issue is that you say that one of these properties is has characteristic (P1552) but this property seems to be much more general than "has semantic role", not least in that it appears to be relevant for any class, not just events/actions/.... How can you resolve this inconsistency? uses (P2283) appears to have the same problem.

You are proposing quite a large addition to how events/actions/... are to be modelled in Wikidata so I think that there needs to be more than guidelines, but perhaps not inviolable rules. For example, Petsamo–Kirkenes Offensive (Q705222) has values for participant (P710), which are suitable for object has role (P3831) qualifiers. It also has values for country (P17), start time (P580), end time (P582), and part of (P361). Which, if any, of these are suitable for object has role (P3831) qualifiers? Further, it seems that start time (P580) and end time (P582) are actually semantic roles for Petsamo–Kirkenes Offensive (Q705222). How are these two properties, and other similar properties, going to relate to your proposal? A fully worked-out example would show how all this works. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 02:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CommentThis proposal appears to define what types/classes of instances should be associated to a particular event class. E.g., military offensive has an agent (Q24229398) acting as the attacker and another as the defender. However, this can also be specified using SHACL or ShEx (especially as an EntitySchema).

Being defined at the class level, the current proposal says nothing about how to specify the actual agent that is the attacker or defender in a particular offensive. I.e., how does this aid in understanding a particular event instance and its related entities? This seems the real purpose of semantic roles. "Joe threw the ball to John." => Throw is the event; Joe is the actor/agent; John is the recipient; the ball is the 'theme' (what is thrown).

In addition, it is incorrect to say ... "The Wikidata item of this property (P1629) will be semantic role (Q117747915) which currently does not have a corresponding property." It does have a property ... As a subclass of role, semantic role is valid as the value of the subject has role (P2868) property.

Lastly, there are standard semantic roles (agent, experiencer, causer, ...) as noted in the table above and in various online sources (e.g., https://glossary.sil.org/term/semantic-role or https://schemantra.com/blog/2023/07/28/semantic-roles/). It may be better to explicitly capture these (has agent, has experiencer, ...) as properties for an event. This makes it easy to define the individuals in specific roles in a specific event instance. And, it reduces the need to explicitly create unique roles to distinguish attacker vs thrower in military offensive vs throwing events. The attacker or the thrower are the active actor/agent in the events.

Without clarifying the proposal to address these issues, I

Oppose it. Andrea Westerinen

WHO Country Database ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	WHO country database id
Represents	WHO Country Database (Q126089346)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	Germany (Q183)→`276`
Example 2	Vietnam (Q881)→`704`
Example 3	Afghanistan (Q889)→`004`
Example 4	Zimbabwe (Q954)→`716`
Source	https://data.who.int/countries
Planned use	add external-id to items
Number of IDs in source	200
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://data.who.int/countries/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	no

Motivation[edit]

The World Health Organization (WHO) manages a lot of databases of global health data. A central datasource is the country database. --Looniverse (talk) 18:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This seems same as ISO 3166-1 numeric code (P299).--GZWDer (talk) 05:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, this could be covered by P299 "ISO 3166-1 numeric code" Back ache (talk) 10:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Jason.nlw (talk) 08:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This should be covered by P299 "ISO 3166-1 numeric code" and the effort should go into that instead, so that is where I have added the URL match pattern so you could say this has been "done"Back ache (talk) 09:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dynasty[edit]

Under discussion

Description	A dynasty is a sequence of rulers from the same family, usually in the context of a monarchy or imperial system but sometimes also appearing in republics. A dynasty can be used to describe the time period in which a person lived, an event happened, a work was created, or a place existed.
Data type	Item
Example 1	Liang Chi-chao (Q379836)dynastyQing Dynasty (Q8733)
Example 2	Handan County (Q1196634)dynastyQin dynasty (Q7183)
Example 3	Bringing in the Wine (Q14918677)dynastyTang dynasty (Q9683)
Planned use	We will add dynasty property to the on-going Chinese poets and historical places projects.
Wikidata project	WikiProject Chinese Culture and Heritage (Q116889971)

Motivation[edit]

A dynasty is a sequence of rulers from the same family, usually in the context of a monarchy or imperial system, but sometimes also appearing in republics. These rulers typically inherit their position, and the dynasty continues through hereditary succession. Different countries throughout history have had dynasties ruling over them. Some famous examples include China, Egypt, Persia (Iran), and England. While there are some similar properties in Wikidata, such as time period (P2348) and country (P17), there are differences between the concept of a dynasty and these properties. Dynasties can rule over countries during specific time periods, but they are not synonymous with either time periods or countries. Allowing this property to be added to Wikidata would enhance the platform's ability to accurately represent historical and cultural data, facilitating comprehensive research and analysis across various domains. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gretaheng18 (talk • contribs) at 15:09, 24 May 2024‎ (UTC).[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Comment Wouldn't the same relationship be better specified by statements regarding the dates associated with the people, places, etc.? Presumably there are many places and some people for whom more than one dynasty would be a valid statement, how would you handle that? ArthurPSmith (talk) 00:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose As ArthurPSmith said, we can already know what was the ruling dynasty just comparing the dates. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 20:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎antonomasia[edit]

Under discussion

Description	epithet or phrase that takes the place of a proper name
Represents	antonomasia (Q607096)
Data type	Monolingual text
Domain	all
Example 1	Napoleon (Q517)→"the little corporal"
Example 2	New York City (Q60)→"The Big Apple"
Example 3	Macbeth (Q130283)→"The Scottish Play"

Motivation[edit]

There are many places that have such antonomasias, it would be nice to be able to add them to Wikidata.-5628785a (talk) 13:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

I wonder if nickname (P1449) can be used for this.--5628785a (talk) 22:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎student count by gender[edit]

Under discussion

Description	I think there should be a way to document the number of students at a university by their gender, as data for student counts (at least if they come from GENESIS Online - german universities) contain that data divided in male and female students. I think it would make more sense to implement that as a qualifier for students count (P2196) than implementing it as a new property as that wouldn't make old data obsolete, but also it could interfere with tools that retrieve that data automated and are then confused by having multiple counts at the same time.
Data type	Item
Template parameter	the gender of students counted
Domain	educational organization (Q5341295)
Allowed values	The allowed values of sex or gender (P21) are probably suitable for this
Example 1	if implemented as it's own property Template:Student count by gender
Example 2	if implemented as qualifier for thestudents count (P2196) property Template:Student count
Example 3	for example in the year 1998, female according to GENESIS Online Template:Student count by gender
Planned use	Add statistical data from student counts from GENESIS-Online to universities Wikidata sites
Robot and gadget jobs	If it's implemented as a constraint for student count (Property:P2196) a bot might go through the datasets and add a value for the not categorized data to indicate that it is the count of all students regardless of genders.
See also	students count (P2196)

Motivation[edit]

I have noticed that there is no real possibility to enter that data into Wikidata without violating some constraints (which ofc you shouldn't do). So I am propossing this qualifier/property so one is able to officially enter that data into Wikidata, as I think it would be useful for statistical analysis purposes and stuff.

- Helen E. Matthews (talk) 08:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

‎TheaterEncyclopedie ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	An item of the TheaterEncyclopedie
Represents	TheaterEncyclopedie (Q104771187)
Data type	URL
Allowed values	string
Example 1	Jan_Aarntzen→https://theaterencyclopedie.nl/wiki/Jan_Aarntzen
Example 2	Beatrix_Theater,_Utrecht→https://theaterencyclopedie.nl/wiki/Beatrix_Theater,_Utrecht
Example 3	Adriana_Grechi→https://theaterencyclopedie.nl/wiki/Adriana_Grechi
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Number of IDs in source	>100000
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316)
Formatter URL	https://theaterencyclopedie.nl/wiki/$1

Motivation[edit]

A Dutch online encyclopedia of all Theater related people, works and places. It is published by the [[:nl:Theater Instituut Nederland]] and [[:en:Allard Pierson Museum]] (see bottom at [Over Theaterencyclopedie - TheaterEncyclopedie here]). Most of the people in this encyclopedia have a Wikipedia paga in Dutch. 92.70.152.178 13:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Encyclopedia[edit]

Quranic Arabic Corpus topic ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier of a topic in the Quranic Arabic Corpus (Q7272925)
Represents	Quranic Arabic Corpus (Q7272925)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	String
Example 1	David in Islam (Q1257863) → david
Example 2	Mary in Islam (Q1478857) → maryam
Example 3	Jesus in Islam (Q51664) → jesus
Example 4	Zechariah in Islam (Q2420409) → zechariah
Example 5	John the Baptist in Islam (Q2422313) → yahya
Source	https://corpus.quran.com/topics.jsp
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://corpus.quran.com/concept.jsp?id=$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	Quranic Arabic Corpus (Q7272925)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Islam (Q5496999), WikiProject Quran (Q13917202)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source for the coverage of Quranic topics in the Quranic Arabic Corpus (Q7272925) (URL: https://corpus.quran.com/topics.jsp). --Soufiyouns (talk) 08:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Oxford Encyclopedia of the Islamic World: Digital Collection ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a subject page in the Oxford Encyclopedia of the Islamic World: Digital Collection
Represents	Oxford Encyclopedia of the Islamic World: Digital Collection (Q113866577)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[0-9]\d*
Example 1	Ahl ul-Bayt (Q385139) → 11
Example 2	Kufr (Q13452658) → 229
Example 3	kaffara (Q12234989) → 221
Example 4	Zuhd (Q3576256) → 485
Example 5	Jumu'ah (Q924037) → 142
Source	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780197669419.001.0001/acref-9780197669419
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780197669419.001.0001/acref-9780197669419-e-$1
See also	Oxford Reference overview ID (P12582)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Oxford Encyclopedia of the Islamic World: Digital Collection (Q113866577)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Languages (Q8486980), WikiProject Linguistics (Q10857957)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in the Oxford Encyclopedia of the Islamic World: Digital Collection (Q113866577) (URL: https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780197669419.001.0001/acref-9780197669419). --Soufiyouns (talk) 12:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

The Encyclopedia of Religion and Nature ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a subject page in the Encyclopedia of Religion and Nature
Represents	The Encyclopedia of Religion and Nature (Q63321685)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[0-9]\d*
Example 1	Sufism (Q9603) → 871
Example 2	Drinking in Islam (Q76591627) → 941
Example 3	tawḥīd (Q174495) → 883
Example 4	Qur’an (Q428) → 709
Example 5	Muhammad (Q9458) → 594
Source	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199754670.001.0001/acref-9780199754670
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199754670.001.0001/acref-9780199754670-e-$1
See also	Oxford Reference overview ID (P12582)
Applicable "stated in"-value	The Encyclopedia of Religion and Nature (Q63321685)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Religion (Q8503229), WikiProject Environment (Q5497659)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in the The Encyclopedia of Religion and Nature (Q63321685) (URL: https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199754670.001.0001/acref-9780199754670). --Soufiyouns (talk) 10:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

The Oxford Companion to World Mythology ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a subject page in The Oxford Companion to World Mythology
Represents	The Oxford Companion to World Mythology (Q56115163)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[0-9]\d*
Example 1	Ibrahim (Q1768161) → 754
Example 2	Iblis (Q273101) → 753
Example 3	Shaitan (Q3959257) → 1425
Example 4	Islamic mythology (Q3349483) → 796
Example 5	Kaaba (Q29466) → 847
Source	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780195156690.001.0001/acref-9780195156690
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780195156690.001.0001/acref-9780195156690-e-$1
See also	Oxford Reference overview ID (P12582)
Applicable "stated in"-value	The Oxford Companion to World Mythology (Q56115163)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Religion (Q8503229), WikiProject Environment (Q5497659)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in the The Oxford Companion to World Mythology (Q56115163) (URL: https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780195156690.001.0001/acref-9780195156690). --Soufiyouns (talk) 11:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern World ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a subject page in The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern World (Q56521401)
Represents	The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern World (Q56521401)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[0-9]\d*
Example 1	Islam (Q432) → 803
Example 2	Sufism (Q9603) → 1525
Example 3	Algeria (Q262) → 36
Example 4	Sunni Muslim (Q71986449) → 1530
Example 5	energy (Q11379) → 510
Source	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780195176322.001.0001/acref-9780195176322
Number of IDs in source	more than 2,000 entries
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780195176322.001.0001/acref-9780195176322-e-$1
See also	Oxford Reference overview ID (P12582)
Applicable "stated in"-value	The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern World (Q56521401)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Modern Western Europe (Q21830425)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in the The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern World (Q56521401) (URL: https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780195176322.001.0001/acref-9780195176322). --Soufiyouns (talk) 06:32, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

The Oxford Companion to the Mind ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a subject page in The Oxford Companion to the Mind (Q103157011)
Represents	The Oxford Companion to the Mind (Q103157011)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[0-9]\d*
Example 1	Sufism (Q9603) → 801
Example 2	self (Q3236990) → 755
Example 3	psyche (Q194034) → 696
Example 4	matter (Q35758) → 564
Example 5	knowledge (Q9081) → 498
Source	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780198662242.001.0001/acref-9780198662242
Number of IDs in source	more than 875 entries
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780198662242.001.0001/acref-9780198662242-e-$1
See also	Oxford Reference overview ID (P12582)
Applicable "stated in"-value	The Oxford Companion to the Mind (Q103157011)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Mind-Body (Q21830411)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in the The Oxford Companion to the Mind (Q103157011) (URL: https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780198662242.001.0001/acref-9780198662242). --Soufiyouns (talk) 07:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

‎Justapedia[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier of an article from Justapedia (Q124209338)
Represents	Justapedia (Q124209338)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	String
Example 1	Wikipedia (Q52)→Wikipedia
Example 2	Henry Ford (Q8768)→Henry_Ford
Example 3	Twitter (Q918)→X_(formerly_Twitter)
Source	justapedia.org
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://justapedia.org/wiki/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Since this is a fork of the English Wikipedia having a robot import these would be helpful.

Motivation[edit]

A fork of the English Wikipedia which has been discussed positively by Larry Sanger (Q185) and Quillette (Q39049075). – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Property proposal dudette (talk • contribs).

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 19:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arlo Barnes DoublePendulumAttractor RampantSpirit Shisma wd-Ryan
Notified participants of WikiProject Interwiki Judging by the history of random articles, it looks like mostly complete copies of Wikipedia articles, but there are apparently 6,000,000+ of them. Is it worth including? -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 22:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This is true for the most part, but when their community edits articles significantly they differ vastly. On their front page they have a Feature Showcase section where they compare such articles, the current example is Cloward–Piven strategy, see W [1] and J [2]. These two articles are very different in both their approach and application, and this will only continue as their editor base increases. Property proposal dudette (talk) 04:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If this is using Mediawiki then there's an underlying numeric id (the page id) for articles which would be a better external id value for this than the current proposal - the page id is stable across page moves and (sometimes) deletion/undeletion. ArthurPSmith (talk) 00:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese Basketball Association ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	MISSING
Represents	Chinese Basketball Association (Q1073722)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	basketball player (Q3665646)
Example 1	Jared Sullinger (Q918878) → 100002180
Example 2	Antonio Blakeney (Q30063106) → 100026409
Example 3	Myles Powell (Q66309770) → 100091157
Source	https://www.cbaleague.com/data/#/home
Formatter URL	https://www.cbaleague.com/data/#/playerMain?playerId=$1

Motivation[edit]

{{Basketball properties}}--寒吉 (talk) 14:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Basketball Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

寒吉, please provide a description. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Library[edit]

National Library of Colombia authority ID[edit]

On hold

Description	numerical identifier for a person in the authority file of the National Library of Colombia (Q2901472)
Represents	Authority Catalogue of the National Library of Colombia (Q120198151)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	José María Salazar (Q114232578) → 91142
Example 2	Manuel Pombo (Q98768265) → 77847
Example 3	José Vicente Castro Silva (Q105651707) → 29603
Example 4	José Camacho Carrizosa (Q106561769) → 24905
Source	https://autoridades.bibliotecanacional.gov.co/
Planned use	Mix'n'match (ready)
Number of IDs in source	124857 (growing)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://autoridades.bibliotecanacional.gov.co/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl?marc=1&authid=$1
See also	BNMM authority ID (P3788), National Library of Chile ID (P7369)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Authority Catalogue of the National Library of Colombia (Q120198151)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	Authority control

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control highly authoritative source for the coverage of Colombian authors. --Epìdosis 18:05, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Support --Kolja21 (talk) 19:09, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - PKM (talk) 19:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- Bargioni 🗣 20:59, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Uomovariabile (talk) 09:16, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- Jason.nlw (talk) 12:47, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- Silva Selva (talk) 23:24, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Atakhanli (talk) 20:47, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I thank you @Kolja21, PKM, Uomovariabile, Jason.nlw, Silva Selva:. In these days, while revising the Mix'n'match catalog with @Bargioni:, we unfortunately discovered that this website seems to be somehow outdated: a new one exists and it has 253765 entries (more than double of the 124857 entries in this one), but unfortunately this new authority file doesn't offer good URIs for the authority records. The fact that is website is older is a just deduction, because we didn't find any explicit statement of its obsolescence; ideally, if someone is able to contact the National Library, having their confirmation about the relationship between these two websites would be the best way to have a clear picture of the situation. As of now, I put the property "on hold". --Epìdosis 07:28, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I contacted the library. They will improve their authority records. So let's wait. Bargioni 🗣 15:50, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

‎NLR editions[edit]

Under discussion

Description	catalogue number of the National Library of Russia
Data type	External identifier
Domain	publication (Q732577)
Allowed values	\d+
Example 1	Artists of the USSR (Q125703699) → 007474098
Example 2	Q124765737 → 008042288
Example 3	Dictionary of Russian Writers of XVIII century. Volume II (Q110027664) → 000038897
Number of IDs in source	millions
Formatter URL	https://webservices.nlr.ru/util/?method=recordFormat&vid=07NLR_VU1&sysid=$1&format=037&base=NLR01
Applicable "stated in"-value	National Library of Russia (Q267566)

Motivation[edit]

If you want to uniquely identify a book published in Russia/USSR/Russian Empire, best you can do is to find it in catalogs of two biggest Russian libraries : Russian State Library (Q1048694) and National Library of Russia (Q267566). Each of them contains millions of records of books with filled in bibliography fields (title,author,year of publication,ISBN etc). RSL editions (P1973) already exists, now it's time to create NLR editions. By this number you also can get a bibliographical record in form of MARC file.

Right now it is [\d]{9}, full form is NLR01 008042288 (as can be seen in UI System number field), where NLR01 is a "base" according to form of this url: https://webservices.nlr.ru/util/?method=recordFormat&vid=07NLR_VU1&sysid=008042288&format=037&base=NLR01

– The preceding unsigned comment was added by Podbrushkin (talk • contribs) at 09:39, May 3, 2024‎ (UTC).

Discussion[edit]

Vladimir Alexiev Jonathan Groß Andy Mabbett Jneubert Sic19 Wikidelo ArthurPSmith PKM Ettorerizza Fuzheado Daniel Mietchen Iwan.Aucamp Epìdosis Sotho Tal Ker Bargioni Carlobia Pablo Busatto Matlin Msuicat Uomovariabile Silva Selva 1-Byte Alessandra.Moi CamelCaseNick Songceci moz AhavaCohen Kolja21 RShigapov Jason.nlw MasterRus21thCentury Newt713 Pierre Tribhou Ahatd JordanTimothyJames Silviafanti Back ache AfricanLibrarian M.roszkowski Rhagfyr 沈澄心 MrBenjo S.v.Mering
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Cerist journal ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	Cerist journal identifier in the Centre de Recherche sur l'Information Scientifique et Technique (Q30261702)
Represents	Centre de Recherche sur l'Information Scientifique et Technique (Q30261702)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	scientific journal (Q5633421)
Allowed values	[0-9]\d*
Example 1	Algerian Journal of Signals and Systems (Q105299366) → 420
Example 2	Algerian Journal of Renewable Energy and Sustainable Development (Q96699908) → 736
Example 3	Algerian Journal of Engineering and Technology (Q109898009) → 732
Example 4	Algerian Journal of Arid Environment (Q96699905) → 11
Example 5	Algerian Journal of Natural Products (Q50817106) → 59
Source	https://www.asjp.cerist.dz/Revues
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://www.asjp.cerist.dz/en/PresentationRevue/$1
Country	Algeria (Q262)
See also	ResearchGate journal ID (P11310), Springer journal ID (P5983), Elsevier journal ID (P5963), HAL journal ID (P8903), OpenEdition journal ID (P4741)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Centre de Recherche sur l'Information Scientifique et Technique (Q30261702)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Algeria (Q15884584), WikiProject Science (Q10522795)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Match a scientific journal (Q5633421) published or listed by the Centre de Recherche sur l'Information Scientifique et Technique (Q30261702) with each Wikidata item (Q16222597) to complete its informations or create new ones (URL: https://www.asjp.cerist.dz/Revues). --Soufiyouns (talk) 06:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

New Oxford Rhyming Dictionary ID[edit]

Done: New Oxford Rhyming Dictionary ID (P12773) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for a subject page in the New Oxford Rhyming Dictionary
Represents	New Oxford Rhyming Dictionary (Q125911699)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[0-9]\d*
Example 1	Allah (L305148) → 0922
Example 2	Muhammad (L450083) → 24917
Example 3	salat (L1324956) → 32660
Example 4	Sufi (L1324954) → 37200
Example 5	Sufism (L1324347) → 37202
Source	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199652464.001.0001/acref-9780199652464
Number of IDs in source	more than 45,000 IDs
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199652464.001.0001/acref-9780199652464-e-$1
See also	Oxford Reference overview ID (P12582)
Applicable "stated in"-value	New Oxford Rhyming Dictionary (Q125911699)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Languages (Q8486980), WikiProject Linguistics (Q10857957)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in the New Oxford Rhyming Dictionary (Q125911699) (URL: https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199652464.001.0001/acref-9780199652464). --Soufiyouns (talk) 05:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Oxford Dictionary of the Middle Ages ID[edit]

Done: Dictionary of the Middle Ages ID (P12775) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for a subject page in The Oxford Dictionary of the Middle Ages
Represents	The Oxford Dictionary of the Middle Ages (Q43325453)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[0-9]\d*
Example 1	Allah (L305148) → 0244
Example 2	Qur'an/Koran (L1325138) → 4869
Example 3	Muhammad (L450083) → 4108
Example 4	Fatima (L1325132) → 2134
Example 5	Ali (L447457) → 0237
Source	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780198662624.001.0001/acref-9780198662624
Number of IDs in source	more than 6,122 IDs
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780198662624.001.0001/acref-9780198662624-e-$1
See also	Oxford Reference overview ID (P12582)
Applicable "stated in"-value	The Oxford Dictionary of the Middle Ages (Q43325453)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Middle Ages (Q10743405)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in The Oxford Dictionary of the Middle Ages (Q43325453) (URL: https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780198662624.001.0001/acref-9780198662624). --Soufiyouns (talk) 07:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Back ache (talk) 09:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Soufiyouns, Back ache: Done as Dictionary of the Middle Ages ID (P12775). Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 03:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Green's Dictionary of Slang (Oxford Reference) ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a subject page in the Green's Dictionary of Slang (Oxford Reference)
Represents	Green's Dictionary of Slang (Q48796748)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[0-9]\d*
Example 1	halal (L321624) → 21808
Example 2	halal (L23484) → 21809
Example 3	Ali (L447457) → 0508
Example 4	Fatima (L1326799) → 16689
Example 5	Sheikh/Shaikh/Shaykh/Sheykh (L501612) → 41019
Source	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199829941.001.0001/acref-9780199829941
Number of IDs in source	more than 52,740 IDs
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199829941.001.0001/acref-9780199829941-e-$1
See also	Oxford Reference overview ID (P12582), Green's Dictionary of Slang ID (P11481)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Green's Dictionary of Slang (Q48796748)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Languages (Q8486980), WikiProject Linguistics (Q10857957)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in the Green's Dictionary of Slang (Q48796748) (URL: https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199829941.001.0001/acref-9780199829941). --Soufiyouns (talk) 04:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Norwegian prisoner of war camp ID[edit]

Ready ^Create

Description	ID for camps for norwegian priosoners of war
Represents	prisoner-of-war camp (Q1070290)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	prisoner (Q1862087), prisoner of war (Q179637) and political prisoner (Q217105)
Allowed values	\d{5}
Example 1	Sachsenhausen concentration camp (Q154498) → 665 https://www.fanger.no/prisoncamps/665
Example 2	Marlag und Milag Nord (Q6771591) → 739 https://www.fanger.no/prisoncamps/739
Example 3	Grini detention camp (Q637411) → 672 https://www.fanger.no/prisoncamps/672
Example 4	Falstad concentration camp (Q2217762) → 684 https://www.fanger.no/prisoncamps/684
Source	https://www.fanger.no/prisoncamps
Planned use	in Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Number of IDs in source	more than 100
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://www.fanger.no/prisoncamps/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Mix'n'Match
See also	Norwegian prisoner register person ID (P8269): identification number for Norwegians in captivity during World War II 1940 -1945
Distinct-values constraint	Yes

Motivering/begrunnelse[edit]

(Legg inn motivering/begrunnelse for forslaget til denne egenskapen her.) Will coply with the Norwegian prisoner register person ID (P8269): identification number for Norwegians in captivity during World War II 1940 -1945 and give more authority to persons involved Pmt (talk) 21:56, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 16:34, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Back ache (talk) 22:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pocket Oxford American Thesaurus ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a subject page in the Pocket Oxford American Thesaurus
Represents	Pocket Oxford American Thesaurus (Q126177898)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[0-9]\d*
Example 1	god (L12289) → 0004868
Example 2	heaven (L156252) → 0005194
Example 3	paradise (L40511) → 0008006
Example 4	prophecy (L326013) → 0008850
Example 5	prophet (L326014) → 0008852
Source	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780195301694.001.0001/acref-9780195301694
Number of IDs in source	12,226 IDs (date: 29 May 2024)
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780195301694.001.0001/t-en_us-msthes-00001-$1
See also	Oxford Reference overview ID (P12582)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Pocket Oxford American Thesaurus (Q126177898)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Languages (Q8486980), WikiProject Linguistics (Q10857957)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in the Pocket Oxford American Thesaurus (Q126177898) (URL: https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780195301694.001.0001/acref-9780195301694). --Soufiyouns (talk) 07:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Oxford Paperback Thesaurus ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a subject page in the Oxford Paperback Thesaurus
Represents	Oxford Paperback Thesaurus (Q126178084)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[0-9]\d*
Example 1	god (L12289) → 0005960
Example 2	heaven (L156252) → 0006400
Example 3	paradise (L40511) → 0009889
Example 4	prophecy (L326013) → 0010903
Example 5	prophet (L326014) → 0010905
Source	https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199640959.001.0001/acref-9780199640959
Number of IDs in source	at most 15,040 IDs (date: 29 May 2024)
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199640959.001.0001/t-en_gb-msthes-00019-$1
See also	Oxford Reference overview ID (P12582)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Oxford Paperback Thesaurus (Q126178084)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Languages (Q8486980), WikiProject Linguistics (Q10857957)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in the Oxford Paperback Thesaurus (Q126178084) (URL: https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199640959.001.0001/acref-9780199640959). --Soufiyouns (talk) 08:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Pocket Oxford Spanish Dictionary: English-Spanish ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a subject page in the Pocket Oxford Spanish Dictionary: English-Spanish
Represents	Pocket Oxford Spanish Dictionary: English-Spanish (Q126202598)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[0-9]\d*
Example 1	Allah (L305148) → 0000451
Example 2	Qur'an/Koran (L1325138) → 0010095
Example 3	Muhammad (L450083) → 0011782
Example 4	Islam (L36825) → 0009702
Example 5	halal (L23484) → 0008047
Source	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780191735097.001.0001/acref-9780191735097
Number of IDs in source	21,250 IDs (date: 31 May 2024)
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780191735097.001.0001/b-en-es-00008-$1
See also	Oxford Reference overview ID (P12582)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Pocket Oxford Spanish Dictionary: English-Spanish (Q126202598)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Languages (Q8486980), WikiProject Linguistics (Q10857957)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in the Pocket Oxford Spanish Dictionary: English-Spanish (Q126202598) (URL: https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780191735097.001.0001/acref-9780191735097). --Soufiyouns (talk) 06:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Law[edit]

Register[edit]

Algerian province ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a province in the Ministry of Tourism and Handicrafts (Algeria) (Q16632260)
Represents	Ministry of Tourism and Handicrafts (Algeria) (Q16632260)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	province of Algeria (Q240601), wilayah (Q19576), department (Q643589)
Allowed values	[a-z]
Example 1	Boumerdès Province (Q236752) → boumerdes
Example 2	Algiers Province (Q141026) → alger
Example 3	Tipasa Province (Q235814) → tipaza
Example 4	Adrar Province (Q188166) → adrar
Example 5	Béchar Province (Q215467) → bechar
Example 6	Tamanrasset Province (Q229467) → tamanrasset
Example 7	Illizi Province (Q233659) → illizi
Example 8	Tindouf Province (Q231151) → tindouf
Example 9	Djanet Province (Q77101547) → djanet
Example 10	Ouargla Province (Q235709) → ouargla
Example 11	Naama Province (Q233675) → naama
Source	https://www.mta.gov.dz/
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://$1.mta.gov.dz/
Country	Algeria (Q262)
See also	Algerian commune ID (P12636), Algerian district ID (P12665), INSEE department code (P2586)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Ministry of Tourism and Handicrafts (Algeria) (Q16632260)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Algeria (Q15884584)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in the Ministry of Tourism and Handicrafts (Algeria) (Q16632260) (URL: https://www.mta.gov.dz/). --Soufiyouns (talk) 06:04, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

This does not seems to be really an identifier, and it can only be used in 58 items. Instead, it is better to create 58 items for ministries of Tourism in each province and add official website (P856) to each of them.--GZWDer (talk) 10:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GZWDer: Thank you for your kind comment. I give you the following examples to enrich the discussion:
1. Elysee.fr president ID (P5440) is used in ~27 items.
2. INSEE region code (P2585) is used in ~72 items.
3. Région Île-de-France ID (P8677) is used in ~84 items.
4. INSEE department code (P2586) is used in ~131 items.
Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 09:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
INSEE region code (P2585) seems a real ID instead of part of the domain. GZWDer (talk) 14:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GZWDer:, would you like to give your opinion? Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 12:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why is Ministry of Tourism and Handicrafts (Algeria) (Q16632260) a more appropriate choice than Ministry of the Interior of Algeria (Q3315224) for this specific context? Can we narrow down the focus of the ID to better suit our needs? --Nehaoua (talk) 21:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Soufiyouns:, could you please clarify the comments above by @Nehaoua:. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 12:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Nehaoua, ZI Jony: This property aims to describe the province of Algeria (Q240601) in terms of tourism in relation to the Ministry of Tourism and Handicrafts (Algeria) (Q16632260). We can propose another property later to describe these provinces on the administrative level in relation to the Ministry of the Interior of Algeria (Q3315224). For example, the following two (2) properties were both created to describe French communes: EHESS ID of a French commune (P8422) and INSEE municipality code (P374). Regards. --Soufiyouns (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose only 58 is not nearly enough. Multichill (talk) 16:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oxford University Press ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier of a book from Oxford University Press (Q217595)
Represents	Oxford University Press (Q217595)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	written work (Q47461344), book (Q571)
Allowed values	[0-9]\d*
Example 1	The Oxford Dictionary of Islam (Q7449413) → 9780195125597
Example 2	The Oxford Encyclopedia of Islam and Women (Q57275437) → 9780199764464
Example 3	The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Islamic World (Q57275338) → 9780195305135
Example 4	The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World (Q116214477) → 9780195148039
Example 5	The Grove Encyclopedia of Islamic Art and Architecture (Q116231077) → 9780195309911
Source	https://global.oup.com/academic/
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://global.oup.com/academic/product/$1
See also	Book publishers properties
Applicable "stated in"-value	Oxford University Press (Q217595)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Books (Q8487081)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in Oxford University Press (Q217595) (URL: https://global.oup.com/academic/). --Soufiyouns (talk) 06:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Comment In this case the id's seem to be just the ISBN's, which could be handled by a 3rd party formatter URL statement I think? Unless I'm missing something here. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArthurPSmith: Your excellent comment is fair and relevant, and I think a dedicated property for the publisher Oxford University Press (Q217595) is very useful in the Wikidata database. It also seems to me that many academic publishers currently only use ISBN-13 (P212) identifiers, and Wikidata should support them after a discussion on this topic. Indeed, the publishers Harvard University Press (Q1587900), New York University Press (Q7014807),Columbia University Press (Q2080179), Taylor & Francis (Q880582), De Gruyter (Q98818), etc., also use ISBN-13 numbers to identify their books, but it should also be noted that the property Amazon Standard Identification Number (P5749) of the large publishing house Amazon Books (Q22906322) uses the ISBN-10 (P957) number as an identifier for the books it offers on the market. Therefore, we must obtain a consensus to include in Wikidata the many publishers who have opted for ISBN-13 identifiers, as is the case for Amazon Books. Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 06:07, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I added the ISBN search clause for Oxford University Press (Q217595) in the section Wikidata:Book_sources#Search_many_individual_booksellers. Regards. --Soufiyouns (talk) 07:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Properties with formatter URLs falling within the DOI space. Regards. --Soufiyouns (talk) 14:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cambridge University Press ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier of a book from Cambridge University Press (Q912887)
Represents	Cambridge University Press (Q912887)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	written work (Q47461344), book (Q571)
Allowed values	[0-9A-Z]\d*
Example 1	The Cambridge Companion to American Islam (Q125563950) → 93529C9BCA2398163C90AD5053629161
Example 2	The Cambridge Companion to Sufism (Q125636500) → A214F31DDBCC5701A4D901EF8481B14E
Example 3	Seeing God in Sufi Qur’an Commentaries: Crossings between This World and the Otherworld (Q125620665) → D41279E1C128C2100E024BF2DADD7E52
Example 4	Sufis and Sharīʿa: The Forgotten School of Mercy (Q125620946) → BBC71787ACEE14E1A6B42F81AE474115
Example 5	Sufism and Theology (Q125620351) → ECB706A62A37EC7196C427660AF06F07
Source	https://www.cambridge.org/core/publications/books/
Number of IDs in source	more than 40,000 entries
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/_/$1
See also	Book publishers properties
Applicable "stated in"-value	Cambridge University Press (Q912887)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Authority control (Q88300058), WikiProject Books (Q8487081)

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control: Highly authoritative source in Cambridge University Press (Q912887) (URL: https://www.cambridge.org/core/publications/books/). --Soufiyouns (talk) 05:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Comment The slug ("cambridge-companion-to-american-islam") is not needed, the actual id is the string following. You can replace it with '_' in the formatter URL, so they don't need that prefix string at all. So we can have 93529C9BCA2398163C90AD5053629161 as the ID example. ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ArthurPSmith: Thanks for the excellent clarification which allowed me to remove the unnecessary prefix string, and here we are now with an alphanumeric identifier. Soufiyouns (talk) 05:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support by the way. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The examples given here are not in conformance with the WikiProjects Books policy (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books) of creating an item for a work, and then other items for each edition. This proposed identifier identifies a particular edition/manifestation, since it is an ISBN. It belongs on items that have instances of version, edition or translation (Q3331189) on them. I would support this proposal and others like it if it followed the WikiProjects Books guidelines. Also incorrect: these items listed as examples have instance of book (Q571) but they should be instance of written work (Q47461344). AdamSeattle (talk) 02:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AdamSeattle: Thanks for the clarifications, and I've just added the written work instance (written work (Q47461344)) to the property proposal. Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 05:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AdamSeattle:, would you like to give your opinion? Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 13:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The items that this is linked to in the examples are not correct. They mix work and instance and there should be two items for them, one for the work and one for the version, edition or translation. The link for this property should be to the version item. AdamSeattle (talk) 17:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AdamSeattle:, thanks for your opinion. @Soufiyouns:, could you please clarify/rearrange as suggested by @AdamSeattle:. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 03:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @AdamSeattle: Thank you for your advice and guidance. I have removed examples that have not been published by Cambridge University Press (Q912887). I think that only the links for version items remain in this property proposal. Regards. --Soufiyouns (talk) 05:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No that is not the case. All the Cambridge items I looked at are still for the work. They have instance of "written work" or "book" or "book series" and they don't represent the version, edition, or translation. AdamSeattle (talk) 08:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AdamSeattle: Try to suggest me a sample item from the website of Cambridge University Press (Q912887) (https://www.cambridge.org/core/publications/books/). Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 09:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is an example of how books are described in Wikidata. There is supposed to be an item for the work that is independent of any particular edition or publication of it. And then there are supposed to be items for every published edition or version of that work. For example, this is the item for Toni Morrison's novel The Bluest Eye: The Bluest Eye (Q1069956). The work item cannot have ISBN or catalog numbers for a specific edition. That goes in the items for editions. Here's the item for the first edition of The Bluest Eye: The Bluest Eye: A Novel (Q125910691). The same should be done for each of the Cambridge Press books - an item for the work, and then an item for a specific edition that has information about the date of publication, publisher, place of publication, and ISBNs for that edition. AdamSeattle (talk) 17:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AdamSeattle: Thank you for these clear and precise explanations. If I understood correctly, Wikidata properties should only refer to editions and versions of basic literary works. This requires careful reflection on my part in order to reshape my proposals. Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 10:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's another example that I just created for a subject dictionary: The Drama Dictionary (Q125931504) (the work) and The Drama Dictionary (Q125931727) (an edition, version, etc. of the work, which we also call a manifestation). I hope this also helps. And don't forget: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books. AdamSeattle (talk) 23:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AdamSeattle: Thank you for the courteous and pleasant educational follow-up. I now present to you the following reference works: The Cambridge Companion to American Islam (Q125995834), The Cambridge Companion to Sufism (Q125995655), Seeing God in Sufi Qur’an Commentaries: Crossings between This World and the Otherworld (Q125995939), Sufis and Sharīʿa: The Forgotten School of Mercy (Q125996242) and Sufism and Theology (Q125996428). Is the property proposal acceptable after this content improvement? Regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 06:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

identifier for a person in Soldatregisteret[edit]

Under discussion

Description	Identifier for a person in the norwegian Soldatregisteret
Data type	External identifier
Domain	Q125671986
Example 1	Per Askim (Q2069900) → https://soldater.no/soldat/12309
Example 2	Leif Larsen (Q3088730) → https://soldater.no/soldat/11374
Example 3	Erik Welle-Strand (Q5388904) → https://soldater.no/soldat/10918
Example 4	Anne Margrethe Strømsheim (Q4566520) → https://soldater.no/soldat/7728
Example 5	no items listed in wikidata so far
Source	https://soldater.no
Planned use	in templates
Number of IDs in source	12071
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://soldater.no/soldat/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Mix'n'Match catalouge can be created

Motivation[edit]

(Legg inn motivering/begrunnelse for forslaget til denne egenskapen her.)This identifier will identify a norwegian soldier serving during the campain in norway from ninth of April 1940 to 10th of June 1940. Together with with other identifiers of norwegian people in the period 1939 to 1945 it will give a good overwiev of certian groups of the people during that time. Pmt (talk) 00:38, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

‎JJM Habitation id[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for Indian hamlets(/rural habitations) issued by Department of Drinking Water and Sanitation, Ministry of Jal Shakti (Q85785741) of the Government of India
Represents	human settlement (Q486972)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	hamlet (Q5084) in India
Allowed values	\d{1,7}
Example 1	Cherukupalli (Q97489248) -> 16339
Example 2	Panatoor (Q19672794) -> 31095
Example 3	Kothaganesunipadu (Q6433970) -> 1670814
Source	https://ejalshakti.gov.in/JJM/JJMReports/BasicInformation/JJMRep_AbstractData_S.aspx
Planned use	Minimal use.. probably around 48000 entries from Andhra Pradesh for now
Number of IDs in source	1,699,676
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
See also	LGD local body code (P6425), Indian census area code (2011) (P5578), MDWS place ID (P6335)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject India (Q11037573)

Motivation[edit]

This is the most comprehensive list of Indian hamlets available, it will be very helpful in tracking all the rural habitations which are not full blown revenue/census villages. It also has a mapping to LGD local body code (P6425) making the whole Indian hamlet mapping tractable. RamSeraph (talk) 19:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Oppose This is the same as MDWS place ID (P6335), as all three example values for that property are (up to the presence of leading zeros) also values for this one. Mahir256 (talk) 19:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mahir256 Can you give the source where these can be looked up.. I do suspect the JJM id is a successor to the MDWS place ID (P6335). I will retract this if this is actually the same RamSeraph (talk) 01:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @RamSeraph: The third "source website for the property" link on P6335 (incidentally with the domain ejalshakti.gov.in) still resolves, if you want to browse that. Mahir256 (talk) 01:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Mahir256 I did see the same domain, and that is the reason I added MDWS place ID (P6335) in the related property list and also the reason I think it is a successor id. The other clue was that the reports with MDWS place ID (P6335) stop at 2018 and the JJM ones start at 2019. 3 out of 1.6 million matching is not a confirmation that they are the same, but let's put this is on hold till we can actually confirm fully. One other reason I want to add JJM id is because they are mapped to LGD here - https://ejalshakti.gov.in/JJM/JJMReports/lgd_mapping/rpt_LGDMappedStatus.aspx RamSeraph (talk) 03:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  One other thing.. can you confirm that the id in brackets next to the habitation name is the id to consider? RamSeraph (talk) 03:55, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Also, JJM data has been pulled and is available here(documentation) RamSeraph (talk) 04:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Mahir256 The linked page for MDWS place ID (P6335) is broken for a lot of blocks, There are no ids even next to the habitation names for some states. I couldn't locate Cherukupalli (Q97489248) in the drop downs.. it would be helpful if you can show the source for the claim that the ids are the same. RamSeraph (talk) 07:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @RamSeraph: I'm not sure which bracketed numbers you are referring to, but the "S.No." that appears in the P6335 link is not the value of P6335; if you examine the HTML source for the drop-down boxes in that link (the <table class="SelectData"> element), each <option> element has a value attribute, which has been treated as the value for P6335 and which for Nangdala Tea Garden (Q60794317) and Uthukuli block (Q25553040)—to add two other random places to the three P6335 examples—match the values for this proposed property.
  
  Have you tried looking for some of the existing P6335 values in the link that you provided? There do seem to be issues now browsing the P6335 link (for whatever reason the list of administrative divisions in the drop-downs for the 2018 data doesn't actually correspond to what existed in that year)—in the case of Andhra Pradesh likely due to some reorganization of administrative divisions in the last six years—but while it may be disappointing that no P6335 values for within Andhra Pradesh was added to Wikidata, with respect to information from other states I also haven't seen yet any values where the value for P6335 is different from the value for this proposed property. Mahir256 (talk) 13:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I wasn't looking at the "S.No.", some of the habitations had a number in brackets - An example would be Appapuram village's listing of habitations. Can be reached via the following dropdown - "State: Andhra Pradesh -> District: Guntur -> Block: Kakumanu -> Panchayat: Appapuram -> Village: Appapuram". You will see two habitations listed there with names Appapuram(0709747009011500) and Chinakakumanu(0709747009021500). These are the numbers I was looking at. I highly suspect they were not the MDWS place ID (P6335)s of the habitations. I did look at the HTML source.. the ids in the <select> field don't extend till habitations, they stop at villages. So the MDWS place ID (P6335)s for habitations are no longer accesible.
  
  That brings us to what seems to be a major misunderstanding here, the current proposal is only for Habitation ids, not for census villages or any other administrative entities above them. In fact habitations are not administrative entities, they are just human settlements. The lowest administrative hierarchy is a Revenue village( which the British decided to use as census entities as well, you know, priorities :) ) or sometimes a Gram Panchayat( yes, a revenue village can have multiple gram panchayats ).
  
  Some of these habitation names are what people recognise as their village names. The 3 examples I gave are these kind of habitations, These couldn't be tracked down to revenue villages or gram panchayats. In the link added as source in this proposal going to the "B1: Basic Habitation Information" section you can locate these 3 entries by following the dropdowns as listed below.
  
  Cherukupalli (Q97489248) State: Andhra Pradesh, District: Bapatla, Block: Cherukupalli, Panchayat: ARUMBAKA, Village: ARUMBAKA
  
  Panatoor (Q19672794) State: Andhra Pradesh, District: Chittoor, Block: Gudipala, Panchayat: Gollamadugu Village:Bomma Samudram
  
  Kothaganesunipadu (Q6433970) State: Andhra Pradesh, District: Palnadu, Block: Machavaram, Panchayat: NAGESWARAPURAM THANDA, Village: Pillutla
  
  Now, coming to fact that the existing MDWS place ID (P6335)s are very similar to the newer JJM ids, these is more inline with what I was saying that the various JJM ids( for state, district, block, panchayat, village, habitations ) are successors of the original MDWS place ID (P6335).
  
  Are you suggesting that I add JJM habitation ids and call them MDWS place ID (P6335)? This is something I am ok with, We can add JJM id as an alternate name, but this might lose some of the subtlety that the id spaces have been separated in the newer identifiers and the source now calls them JJM ids, it might even lead to confusion, somebody needs to people to add additional zeros to avoid clashes across various entity types.
  
  Note: Looks like I got the id for Panatoor (Q19672794) wrong, I am going to correct the proposal, it is 31095 not 11912 RamSeraph (talk) 15:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Mahir256 Forgot to ping. Also, adding one more thing. The newer JJM ids will definitely have ids which weren't in the original MDWS place ID (P6335). Digging these up would be easy. Look for any district formed after 2018. RamSeraph (talk) 15:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, Considering that MDWS place ID (P6335) was also from the same department, JJM habitaion id is a successor. --Arjunaraoc (talk) 05:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Achitectural guide for Northern Norway and Svalbard ID[edit]

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier for an item in Arkitekturguide for Nord-Norge og Svalbard
Represents	no label (Q125907852)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	building (Q41176)
Allowed values	\d{4}
Example 1	Saint George Chapel (Q11213330) → 1098 https://arkitekturguide.uit.no/items/show/1098
Example 2	Rabothytta (Q19386042)→ 1299 https://arkitekturguide.uit.no/items/show/1299
Example 3	Svalbard Church (Q2597768)→ 1340 https://arkitekturguide.uit.no/items/show/1340
Source	https://arkitekturguide.uit.no
Planned use	Add into template
Number of IDs in source	about 600
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316)
Formatter URL	https://arkitekturguide.uit.no/items/show/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Mix n' Match can be done
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes

Motivation[edit]

(Legg inn motivering/begrunnelse for forslaget til denne egenskapen her.) The guide describes in detail buildings in Northern Norways arctic areas. due to second world war and the burning of Finnmark and northern Troms few buidings remained and many of those are well described in the guide. Also the post war buildings designed as a part of the reconstruction programe for northern Norway are well covered. New designed iconic buildings are also described Pmt (talk) 19:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Back ache (talk) 09:21, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎PNG School Code[edit]

Under discussion

Description	This property describes the official school identifier used by the Ministry of Education in Papua New Guinea
Represents	education in Papua New Guinea (Q5341112)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	educational institution (Q2385804) secondary school (Q159334) school (Q3914) primary school (Q9842) preschool (Q1076052) academic institution (Q4671277)
Allowed values	[0-9]{2}[A-Z0-9][0-9]{2}
Example 1	Sonoma Adventist College (Q7562168) → 65C98
Example 2	Kerevat National High School (Q111943993) → 65810
Example 3	Sogeri National High School (Q111947679) → 53810
Example 4	Siar Elementary School exists a Catholic School in Bouganville (67B02), a Government school in Madang (62A10) and a Catholic School in New Ireland (66B17)
Source	https://educationpng.gov.pg/School_Profile/wheres-my-school/
Planned use	Uploading of PacificData.org set of schools in PNG with GeoLocation and linking with updated school lists from Ministry of Education (sources in Multiple PDFs )
Number of IDs in source	Over 11,200
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Robot and gadget jobs	Manual transformation in OpenRefine
Country	Papua New Guinea (Q691)
See also	myschool ID (P5245) Ministry of Education New Zealand school ID (P9360) BG School ID (P9034)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes

Motivation[edit]

There are over 11,000 schools managed by the National Department of Education for Papua New Guinea and they have a 5 character code that has been used to uniquely identify them. There are a significant number of schools that have name collisions. The Ministry has various datasets that reference a persistent school code. The "wheres-my-school" data is from the previous decade but other reports can supplement these records. Started by wanting to use the PacificData to look at a single province but worth solving for the country.

Brookschofield (talk) 13:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 19:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Social networking service[edit]

Magazine[edit]

Authority file[edit]

See also wikidata:property proposal/Pending for approved items awaiting the deployment of currently unavailable datatypes

Already approved properties: list

Filozofia jezuitów w Polsce w XX wieku ID[edit]

Ready ^Create

Description	identifier for a person in the online edition of Filozofia jezuitów w Polsce w XX wieku (a biographical dictionary of Jesuits active in Poland)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	Stanisław Bełch (Q9341596) -> belch
Example 2	Carlo Benvenuti (Q55225498) -> benvenuti
Example 3	Andrzej Dyndowicz (Q59589198) -> dyndowicz
Mix'n'match	5741

Motivation[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Religions highly authoritative source regarding Jesuits in Poland; already partially matched thorugh Mix'n'match. --Epìdosis 07:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Back ache (talk) 09:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎IAFD actor UUID[edit]

Done: IAFD actor UUID (P12776) (Talk and documentation)

Description	ID for an actor in the Internet Adult Film Database
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	\b[0-9a-f]{8}\b-[0-9a-f]{4}-[0-9a-f]{4}-[0-9a-f]{4}-\b[0-9a-f]{12}\b
Example 1	Jynx Maze (Q1768172) `73bff455-696d-4548-a464-7653b63fb259` -> https://www.iafd.com/person.rme/id=73bff455-696d-4548-a464-7653b63fb259
Example 2	Aletta Ocean (Q35980) `e261ec41-ca9a-4095-8217-d961b7bb38c0` -> https://www.iafd.com/person.rme/id=e261ec41-ca9a-4095-8217-d961b7bb38c0
Example 3	Dale DaBone (Q3012294) `07567198-2181-4fe6-9914-dfce7c19926d` -> https://www.iafd.com/person.rme/id=07567198-2181-4fe6-9914-dfce7c19926d
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://www.iafd.com/person.rme/id=$1
See also	IAFD film UUID (P12654)
Type constraint – instance of	human (Q5)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Film (Q8485793)

Motivation[edit]

New property to migrate from old IAFD male performer ID (P4505) and IAFD female performer ID (P3869) used in several Wikipedia templates to new IAFD actor UUIDs.

For a long time IAFD used URLs like this: https://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=jynxmaze/gender=f . Nowadays theses URLs are redirected to URLs using the new UUIDs; the link just mentioned is redirected to https://www.iafd.com/person.rme/id=73bff455-696d-4548-a464-7653b63fb259 . The old IDs are no longer displayed on iafd.com. Wikidata should offer those UUIDs in this new property so that Wikipedia can change the corresponding templates (see Template:IAFD name (Q6811009), Category:Pages using Wikidata property P3869 (Q50823489) and Category:Pages using Wikidata property P4505 (Q50823483)). -- Reise Reise (talk) 17:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support UUID's are good Back ache (talk) 09:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Reise Reise, Back ache: Done as IAFD actor UUID (P12776). Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 03:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎Milldatabase ID[edit]

Done: ‎Milldatabase ID (P12772) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier of a mill (wind- or watermill) from the (international) milldatabase.org
Represents	mill (Q44494)
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	rye mill II (Q114386866) → 29509
Example 2	Paltrockmühle Klein Germersleben (Q54339445) → 36148
Example 3	Haseborgsche Mühle (Q102300111) → 35493
Number of IDs in source	44922 and counting
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://milldatabase.org/mills/$1
See also	Ten-Bruggencatenummer (P7789)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes

Motivation[edit]

Many WD items of mills in Germany (Austria and Switzerland) have no external identifier despite the cultural heritage monument ID (watermill, windmill). With milldatabase.org there is database maintained by the Deutsche Gesellschaft für Mühlenkunde und Mühlenerhaltung which is the umbrella organisation for molinology organizations in Germany. It seems valuable when we connect to it as it is already done to the Dutch database by P7789. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aschroet (talk • contribs) at 15:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Support Infrastruktur (talk) 16:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Vicarage (talk) 15:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Akoopal (talk) 20:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC) This one will be useful. But good to mention that the scope of this database is really indeed worldwide, supported by TIMS. So it isn't restricted to the German and Austrian mills. If implemented I want to put effort to backfill this for the dutch mills.[reply]
Support --Mjroots (talk) 06:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aschroet, Infrastruktur, Vicarage, Akoopal, Mjroots: Done: ‎Milldatabase ID (P12772). Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 15:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Kirilloparma, just one thing: can we have a direct link to from the ID to the external site? --Arnd (talk) 15:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aschroet: This is a known cache issue when creating a new property. Links to external identifiers will become available within 24-48 hours (maybe even less), so don't worry if they are currently unavailable. You can later purge one of the Wikidata items using ?action=purge command (example) so that the formatter URL is recognized. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 16:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, another thing: The constraint: "Entities with statements for ‎Milldatabase ID should also have a label at least in Dutch language." makes no sense i think. Maybe one could expect English. --Arnd (talk) 17:27, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the database doesn't use Dutch, that makes sense, but I don't know the exact origin of these constraints. You should ask user who added them. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 23:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎IMAIOS entity ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	IMAIOS page describing the anatomical entity
Data type	External identifier
Domain	class of anatomical entity (Q112826905) (class or instance of)
Example 1	sacral horn (Q126153149)→sacral-horn-1537019392
Example 2	short head of the biceps brachii (Q28792038)→short-head-of-biceps-brachii-1541083748
Example 3	anterior compartment of arm (Q66526952)→anterior-compartment-of-arm-1541084152
Source	https://www.imaios.com/en/e-anatomy/
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316)
Formatter URL	https://www.imaios.com/en/e-anatomy/anatomical-structure/$1
URL match pattern	^https?:\/\/(?:www\.)?imaios.com\/[a-z]+\/e-anatomy\/anatomical-structure/\/(.+)$
See also	Foundational Model of Anatomy ID (P1402) Store medisinske leksikon ID (P5082)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes

Motivation[edit]

IMAIOS contains a lot of valuable information about anatomical entities and also information about entities that the other standard databases don't have like the page about the sacral horn. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by ChristianKl (talk • contribs) at 23:19, 27 May 2024‎ (UTC).[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Support I added some more info to the proposal. Can I ask you to add an item for the corresponding website? (imaios.com) Thanks. Infrastruktur (talk) 15:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎Seret film ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a movie at the Israeli movie database Seret
Represents	Seret.co.il (Q12410175)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	film (Q11424)
Example 1	Wisdom of the Pretzel (Q8027430) → [3]
Example 2	The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (Q164963)→[4]
Example 3	Looney Tunes: Back in Action (Q834165)→[5]
Source	[6]
Number of IDs in source	300-400
Formatter URL	https://www.seret.co.il/critics/moviereviews.asp?id=$1

Motivation[edit]

Make movie ids more international. Similiar to EDb film ID (P3141).

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notified participants of WikiProject Movies Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Back ache (talk) 09:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎Tropicos person ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a person in the Tropicos database
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	{1-9}\d*
Example 1	John F. Jones (Q47119685)→1560
Example 2	Albert John Heard (Q36503055)→1407
Example 3	Tetsuo Michael Koyama (Q9086553)→6299
Source	https://www.tropicos.org/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://www.tropicos.org/person/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Possibly Mix'n'Match
See also	Tropicos ID (P960), Tropicos publication ID (P4904)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Tropicos (Q2578548)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes

Motivation[edit]

Widely used and well respected botanical resource. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control

Notified participants of WikiProject Biodiversity. -- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

poblesdecatalunya.cat identifier[edit]

Under discussion

Description	Identifier for poblesdecatalunya.cat, which is a catalog of buildings, public art and urban ensembles of artistic or historical interest in Catalonia.
Data type	External identifier
Domain	places: buildings and architectural or urbanistic ensembles in Catalonia
Allowed values	`[1-9]\d*`
Allowed units	none
Example 1	Santa Eulàlia de Provençana (Q11947523) 590
Example 2	Edifici Porta (Q126197610) 11076
Example 3	Escultura Bridges (Q125967931) 16809
Source	www.poblesdecatalunya.cat
Number of IDs in source	A few thousands
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316)
Formatter URL	https://www.poblesdecatalunya.cat/element.php?e=$1

Motivation[edit]

poblesdecatalunya.cat (Q119625160), subtitled as "Guia del patrimoni històric i artístic dels municipis catalans" (Guide to the artistic and historical heritage of Catalan municipalities) is a quite comprehensive catalogue of buildings, public art an urban ensembles of interest in Catalonia. It's scope is similar and complementary to official heritage catalogues but it also adds more coverage of contemporary architecture and public art.

By now, hundreds of Wikidata items link to poblesdecatalunya.cat (Q119625160), mostly because it is used as a reference and data has been uploaded from it.

Having an id property for poblesdecatalunya.cat would be helpful to upload data from it in a more systematic way.--Pere prlpz (talk) 21:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Person[edit]

Picture of this person doing their job[edit]

Under discussion

Description	picture of a person in action, especially for a sportsperson, visual artist, musican, actor. P18 is normally used for portraits
Data type	Commons media file
Domain	Q5
Example 1	Chiara Kreuzer (Q5331554) = 20190226 Seefeld SJ 4720.jpg
Example 2	Jakob Eiksund Sæthre (Q87721657) → File:20200222_FIS_NC_COC_Eisenerz_PRC_HS109_Men_Jakob_Eiksund_Saethre_850_4504.jpg
Example 3	María Ólafsdóttir (Q19264382) = file:20150516 ESC 2015 Maria Olafs 9813.jpg
Example 4	Cornelia Kreuter (Q87345351) = file:20190315 Dancing Stars 1100.jpg
Example 5	Lars Ulrich (Q106193) = file:Lars Ulrich live in London 2008-09-15.jpg
Example 6	Angela Merkel (Q567) = file:President Joe Biden meets with German Chancellor Angela Merkel at the G7 Summit.jpg
Source	Commons:Category:People
See also	subproperty of Property:P18 ; Property:P109, Property:P1801, Property:P1442, Property:P5775

Motivation[edit]

In general, these are better stored in a separate property than in image (P18). The image could be used in wikidata infoboxes on Commons similar to Property:P109, Property:P1801, Property:P1442, Property:P5775 --Z thomas (talk) 22:28, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Support --M2k~dewiki (talk) 23:32, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Duplicates information which is more within the scope of Wikimedia Commons (and Commons categories often already have Wikidata items) -عُثمان (talk) 23:51, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't only the scope of commons.

It fits perfectly to the scope of wikidata to provide information, it works also with pictures have a look at properties like p109 or p1442 Z thomas (talk) 12:32, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Of course there is a use at commons for example in the Infobox like C:Category:St. Maria Meeresstern (Werder (Havel)) - three different images of one object Z thomas (talk) 05:22, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I personally don't see the benefit of the property. I can't understand the intention of the image then being displayed in the Wikidata info box either. You have gallery pages on Commons to show stuff like that. --Gymnicus (talk) 08:48, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The images are shown in the wikidata Infobox. This is shown in the commons cat, the gallery pages is something different Z thomas (talk) 21:04, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For example the usage of many different pictures in the wikidata Infobox C:Category:Berlin Greetings Z thomas (talk) 21:07, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support If possible, the image (P18) should always be a portrait. But why not also a picture of the person in his or her typical working environment (athlete, dancer, actress). Similar to buildings, several views are useful (nighttime view (P3451), image of design plans (P3311), image of interior (P5775), schematic (P5555), aerial view (P8592),). --sk (talk) 15:20, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Lutzto (talk) 16:44, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Derbrauni (talk) 12:14, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Seems quite reasonable to me. For many professions and activities you cannot see the face of the person when this person is doing their job, - at the same time it's quite obvious to have a picture of the person dancing if they are a dancer. Ideally infoboxes could allow customers to switch between these two images. Андрей Романенко (talk) 15:08, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Did any of the people casting support votes even read the label? Having a property that addresses the person in a gendered way (his) seems to be an automatic no. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 11:51, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done, @Z thomas, M2k~dewiki, عُثمان, Gymnicus, Stefan Kühn, Lutzto: @Derbrauni, Андрей Романенко, ChristianKl: no consensus of proposed property at this time based on the above discussion. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 06:52, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I strongly oppose this decision. According to Wikidata:Property creation, It is the job of the property creator to weigh consensus. The mere fact that there were three opposing votes against five votes in favour does not tell anything about the reasonable consensus. The objection of the colleague ChristianKl can be easily solved by renaming the proposed property into Picture of this person doing their job (English is not the mother tongue for the author of the proposal, their original German name of the property does not have this problem). Two other objections just read as "I don't understand why we need it"; in the meantime a clear explanation of why we need it is provided. According to Wikidata:Property creation, All opposing points of discussion should be addressed before creation occurs - this is exactly the case. @ZI Jony:, I believe you have to either elaborate your decision addressing the arguments in favour of this proposal or revert your decision and create this property. Андрей Романенко (talk) 10:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Андрей Романенко:, I understand your frustration, but it's important to note that the decision-making process involves considering all viewpoints. While three opposing votes (which are more than 37 percent) may seem significant, it's also crucial to assess the nature of the objections and the overall consensus. I’d suggest you to discuss with @ChristianKl, عُثمان, Gymnicus:, if they are willing to change their opinions, I'll be happy to mark as ready or revert my decision. Else, we have to consider as not done. Thank you. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 11:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  It simply does not work this way. All objections must be addressed, according to the rule. The rule does not claim that all the opposing users must change their opinions; they are even not obliged to come back to the discussion after giving their opinion once. If the objection is only about the name of the property (which is the case for one of the opposing users), it is your responsibility as a property creator to consider possible renaming (and I proposed this renaming). If some users opposed to the proposal and the author of the proposal replied, it is your responsibility to weigh (the word from the WD rule) the arguments. Андрей Романенко (talk) 12:15, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Андрей Романенко:, I've already taken my decision. If you want to overturn my decision, then you are full free to take this matter to AN. A administrator will revert/reopen the proposal for you. Thank you! Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 13:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  The policy asks for arguments being addressed before a property is created. It does not ask for addressing points before proposals are closed. That's by design. We frequently have stale property proposals that we close even if there are a lot of unaddressed points made in a discussion.
  
  When creating a new property I expect that people think about how to best name the property and I do think that both label and description matters and someone should do the effort to create good one's in English. " Picture of this person doing their job" is still questionable even if not as obvious. We don't capitalize the first word. The related properties that are listed all use the word image. There's no reasoning given why this one should deviate from that. Anyone who thinks deeply about this property should think about those issues and the fact that nobody did, means that nobody of the people who support this property engaged in the intellectual labor I expect before property creation (so I'm less sure about whether there are other issues that take me more than a minute to think up). ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 11:02, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @ChristianKl With respect, it is not a valid reason to oppose a new property because the label used in the proposal uses inappropriate capitalisation. You are free to update the proposal with the correct capitalisation, now or at any time after creation. What we are looking for is relevant comments on the substance of the proposed property, not minutiae — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:46, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @MSGJ: As long as people vote without doing the bar minimum of thinking about what's invovled it's necessary to cast oppose votes to prevent bad properties to be created. That's the point of why we have the approval process. Preventing ill-thought out properties from being created. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 10:09, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited the description to make it gender neutral and re-opened the discussion — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@عُثمان, @Gymnicus: if you would like to follow-up on your comments above that might be helpful — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, MSGJ. Let me once again stress the point: we expect from the main picture of a person to give the general idea of what their face looks like. But there are many professionals whose main activity shows them in completely different view. And it is quite reasonable that, for instance, for an ice hockey goalkeeper we'd be able to switch between this and this. I really don't understand wht's wrong in it and why we cannot have for people what we have for buildings. Андрей Романенко (talk) 15:13, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'm not a native English speaker, so it might even sound wrong, but alternatively I would suggest something like person's job image or image of a person's occupation as a label for the property. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 17:28, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Z thomas: So what do you think of this suggestion? For comparison, take a look at a recent property I created. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 01:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kirilloparma thanks for your suggestion. I'm fine with it. Everything that helps to improve the proposal is good. And your proposal hits the point well. Greetings from Germany Z thomas (talk) 06:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply. I would also like to hear the opinion of @ChristianKl, who previously opposed the proposal because of the current label. What are your thoughts now on the new proposed labels and which one is more appropriate? Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 03:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Stefan Kühn (sk). Dexxor (talk) 09:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Stefan Kühn Raymond (talk) 16:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Stefan Kühn --Wüstenspringmaus _talk 07:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User account[edit]

Identifier[edit]

F.C. Copenhagen player ID[edit]

Done: F.C. Copenhagen player id (P12777) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for player at F.C. Copenhagen official site
Represents	www.fck.dk (Q126083462)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Example 1	Mohamed Elyounoussi (Q3379222) → mohamed-elyounoussi
Example 2	Kamil Grabara (Q56441182) → kamil-grabara
Example 3	Brian Rasmussen (Q12304372) → brian-rasmussen
Source	https://www.fck.dk/holdet
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Planned use	for usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://www.fck.dk/spiller/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Maybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?

Motivation[edit]

Will be useful for stated in (P248), contains valuable statistical data. Full coverage of club players from 1992 when it was found. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 11:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Support. --Mitte27 (talk) 11:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Сидик из ПТУ, Mitte27: Done as F.C. Copenhagen player id (P12777). Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 04:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Locomotive Yaroslavl HC player ID[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for player at Locomotive Yaroslavl HC official site
Represents	hclokomotiv.ru (Q126085578)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Example 1	Martin Gernát (Q12771131) → 454
Example 2	Curtis Sanford (Q927203) → 159
Example 3	Alexander Galimov (Q350998) → 114
Source	https://hclokomotiv.ru/roster/men
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Planned use	for usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://hclokomotiv.ru/player/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	Maybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?

Motivation[edit]

Will be useful for stated in (P248), contains valuable statistical data. Full coverage of club players from 2008 when it entered to Kontinental Hockey League (Q190001). Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 12:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Flown From The Nest person id[edit]

Under discussion

Description	identifier for player at Flown From The Nest site
Represents	Flown From The Nest (Q126128569)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Example 1	Chris Sutton (Q363769) → sutton
Example 2	Christian Fassnacht (Q27306208) → fassnacht
Example 3	Mick Wadsworth (Q6838465) → wadsworth
Source	http://www.ex-canaries.co.uk/players/index.htm
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Planned use	for usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	http://www.ex-canaries.co.uk/players/$1.htm
Robot and gadget jobs	Maybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case?

Motivation[edit]

Will be useful for stated in (P248), contains valuable statistical data. Full coverage for every Norwich City F.C. (Q18721) player since 1980. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 13:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Back ache (talk) 09:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Full name[edit]

Profession[edit]

Work[edit]

Politics/public election[edit]

Please review Wikidata:WikiProject every politician before proposing. Ping members of project using {{Ping project|every politician}}

--PoliceSheep99 (talk) 02:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC) WikiProject every politician has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. --PoliceSheep99 (talk) 02:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC) WikiProject every politician has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. WikiProject every politician has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. --Lewisiscrazy (talk) 14:45, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hotel[edit]

Organization[edit]

intervener[edit]

Under discussion

Description	name of a third-party group or person allowed to participate in a legal case
Represents	intervention (Q2292948)
Data type	Item
Domain	human (Q5), organization (Q43229)
Example 1	York University v Canadian Copyright Licensing Agency (Q108085698)→QThe Writers' Union of Canada (Q8038449)
Example 2	CCH Canadian Ltd. v. Law Society of Upper Canada (Q5009584)→QAccess Copyright (Q4672434)
Example 3	Eurobank Ergasias S.A. v. Bombardier inc. (Q125349256)→QCanadian Bankers Association (Q1032046)
Source	https://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/search-recherche-eng.aspx, e.g. https://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/af-ma-eng.aspx?cas=39856
Planned use	To create a Wikidata project for Canadian Supreme Court cases and to start populating SCC entries with this property
Number of IDs in source	"Interveners make submissions in about half of the cases heard by the Supreme Court of Canada" (https://digitalcommons.osgoode.yorku.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1086&context=ohlj)
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316)
See also	plaintiff (P1620), defendant (P1591)

Motivation[edit]

Half of Supreme Court of Canada decisions are made with third-parties called interveners and it has even been said that you can tell how important a case by the number of interveners allowed to weigh in on a pending legal decision (https://digitalcommons.osgoode.yorku.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4029&context=scholarly works) The role of interveners are of great interest to legal scholars, political scientists, and activists. At present, legal cases allow for a plaintiff and a respondent to be properties of a legal case, but not third party intervenes who are also allowed to present documents to the court. Interveners should be considered an 'input' to a legal decision and not an 'outcome' and as such, they don't belong as 'part of' a decision of the judges. Happy to clarify any of the above. Note: I've asked WikiProject Canadian law for comment. Copystar (talk) 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

‎Limited Liability Partnership Identification Number (LLPIN) in India[edit]

Under discussion

Description	A Limited Liability Partnership Identification Number is a unique identification number assigned to limited liability partnerships by the Registrar of Companies (ROC) in India.
Represents	Limited Liability Partnership Identification Number (Q126118563)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	Luv Films (Q60745107)→AAK-3417
Example 2	Raykam Alloys LLP (Q111907528)→AAW-5756
Example 3	Enventure Engineering (Q95600532)→AAE-8484
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
See also	Corporate Identification Number (CIN) in India (P10183), Director Identification Number (P9706)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Companies (Q15271936)

Motivation[edit]

An LLPIN is a unique ID number assigned to companies of type limited liability partnership (Q1588658) by the Registrar of Companies (ROC) of Ministry of Corporate Affairs (Q4294596) in India. Like the Corporate Identification Number (CIN) in India (P10183), there is no formatter URL as the search interface is guarded by a captcha. DaxServer (talk) 15:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Notified participants of WikiProject Companies Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Is there a link for each ID available?--So9q (talk) 05:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, like I said, the Ministry's form has a captcha and does not have direct link. DaxServer (talk) 13:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

National Museum of Archeology, History and Art[edit]

person ID in MNAHA[edit]

Under discussion

Description	person ID in MNAHA
Represents	National Museum of Archeology, History and Art (Q2585886)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	Lëtzebuerg (Q32)
Allowed values	lkl\d+{6}
Example 1	Pierre Blanc (Q13104552)→lkl000270
Example 2	Serge Ecker (Q25583425)→lkl000300
Example 3	Su-Mei Tse (Q3246870)→lkl000310
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.konschtlexikon.mnaha.lu/entry/$1

Motivation[edit]

We would like to include these links on our authority control template on Wikipedia in Luxembourgish. --Soued031 (talk) 21:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

See also Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending for approved items awaiting the deployment of currently unavailable datatypes

Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work Wikidata:Property proposal/Place Wikidata:Property proposal/Sports Wikidata:Property proposal/Sister projects Wikidata:Property proposal/Transportation Wikidata:Property proposal/Natural science Wikidata:Property proposal/Computing Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

Wikidata:Property proposal/all

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‎relates to sustainable development goal, target or indicator[edit]

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agent of action[edit]

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exception to constraint (lexeme)[edit]

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intervener[edit]

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model for and its inverse property modeled by[edit]

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pacing[edit]

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‎is ontological root of[edit]

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located in the Islamic territorial entity[edit]

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‎Yandex.Music track ID[edit]

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address of addressee[edit]

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Dynasty[edit]

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‎student count by gender[edit]

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Oxford Encyclopedia of the Islamic World: Digital Collection ID[edit]

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The Oxford Companion to World Mythology ID[edit]

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The Oxford Companion to the Mind ID[edit]

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‎Justapedia[edit]

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Chinese Basketball Association ID[edit]

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National Library of Colombia authority ID[edit]

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