Property talk:P7420

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image with frame
media file of painting or other 2D artwork with its frame or more of its surroundings included

Represents	picture frame (Q860792)
Data type	Commons media file
Domain	painting (Q3305213), drawing (Q93184) or relief sculpture (Q245117)
Allowed values	(?i).+\.(jpg|jpeg|jpe|png|svg|tif|tiff|gif|xcf|pdf|djvu|webp)
Example	Self-Portrait with Fur-Trimmed Robe (Q2546309) → Autorretrato Durero Munich 03.jpg Portrait of Madame de Verninac (Q3399485) → Portrait de madame de Verninac by David Louvre RF1942-16 n1.jpg Albertine i politilægens venteværelse (Q2831725) → Christian Krohg - Albertine i politilegens venteværelse - IMG 9789- national gallery oslo.jpg Garrote vil (Garrotte) (Q5811810) → Interior views of MNCARS in Madrid (13).JPG
Formatter URL	https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:$1
Embed URL	https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:$1
See also	image with color chart (P10093), creator's signature (P7457), image of backside (P7417)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P7420 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 8,148 Main statement 8,142 >99.9% of uses Qualifier 6 <0.1% of uses

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Link to Commons namespace “File”: this property should contain a well-formed link to an existing page on Wikimedia Commons. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7420#Commons link, hourly updated report

Format “(?i).+\.(jpg|jpeg|jpe|png|svg|tif|tiff|gif|xcf|pdf|djvu|webp)”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7420#Format, SPARQL

Type “painting (Q3305213), drawing (Q93184), relief sculpture (Q245117)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “painting (Q3305213), drawing (Q93184), relief sculpture (Q245117)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7420#Type Q3305213, Q93184, Q245117, SPARQL

Item “image (P18)”: Items with this property should also have “image (P18)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7420#Item P18, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7420#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7420#Scope, SPARQL

image vs artwork

The label was 'image with frame' - I've renamed this to 'artwork with frame' as I suspect you don't want this to be used to show any random image with a digitally-added frame surrounding it. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

• I'm not sure .. somehow I preferred the proposed label. It should be 2d works with some context (generally the frame it currently uses). I think the description and constraints define it sufficiently. --- Jura 15:22, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
  • For illustrative purposes, are these images in scope for this property? They are all images, but not artwork. They are the kind of image I think will be added via this property unless it is clarified. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:32, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

• • • I think it's up to Commons to determine if and how they want to use the property there. Currently, it cannot be used on images there (due to the datatype). --- Jura 15:48, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
• Maybe adding "its" in the label clarifies the use. --- Jura 07:11, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Should there be a constraint violation if this property is used without image (P18) being present?

E.g., at Painting with White Form (Q71127828) - the image won't be found by anyone looking for image (P18). Should P18 duplicate this property value, or P18 be used in place of this property? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:36, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I think there should be a suggestion to add a P18, but the value should be different (an image without the frame). --- Jura 15:50, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

• If there is only an image with a frame, I'd add it in P18 as well. Eventually someone might upload one without a frame or do a crop (if that is possible), but in the meantime, users looking for P18 would get a value. --- Jura 09:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Adding drawing as type constraint

Hey everyone, i've added drawing (Q93184) as a type constraint, aside from painting (Q3305213). This property is limited to 2D artworks, but drawings are obviously 2D artworks too. Maybe we should either add more constraints, or do some smart class hierarchy things. But i've fixed it like this for now because i couldn't add this property to Portrait of Harmen Gerritsz. van Rijn (1565-1630) (Q83383193). Husky (talk) 21:23, 21 January 2020 (UTC)