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historic county
traditional, geographical division of Great Britain and Ireland

Description	Historic county or traditional county: the traditional, geographical division of Great Britain and Ireland
Represents	According to this template: historic county (Q67770276) According to statements in the property: historic county (Q67770276) When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Data type	Item
Template parameter	historic county
Domain	According to this template: historic county of the United Kingdom (Q67376938) county of Ireland (Q179872) According to statements in the property: geographic location (Q2221906), occurrence (Q1190554), architectural structure (Q811979), human settlement (Q486972), facility (Q13226383) or geographic region (Q82794) When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values	Items which are an instance of (Q21503252) historic county of the United Kingdom (Q67376938) or county of Ireland (Q179872) (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Example	Dufftown (Q1012028) → Banffshire (Q806432) Luton (Q203889) → Bedfordshire (Q67387552) Pen y Fan (Q1325530) → Brecknockshire (Q547052) Ballymena (Q805451) → County Antrim (Q189592) Carlisle (Q192896) → Cumberland (Q23360) Stanground (Q7598847) → Huntingdonshire (Q67266168) Sunbury-on-Thames (Q2194010) → Middlesex (Q19186)
Source	ONS Index of Place Names in Great Britain’ User Guide page 13 via ONS website ‘Celebrating the historic counties of England’: Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government Historic Counties Standard: The Historic Counties Trust (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property source website for the property (P1896))
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P7959 (Q118496122)
Related to country	United Kingdom (Q145) (See 326 others) Republic of Ireland (Q27) (See 38 others)
See also	located in the administrative territorial entity (P131), historical region (P6885), vice-county (P1887)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties By value of property Most statements Fewest statements Most sitelinks Most linked wikis Total of sitelinks on items Most identifiers Fewest identifiers Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Database reports/Constraint violations/P7959 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 826,339 distinct values ratio Main statement 826,325 >99.9% of uses 198 4173.4 Qualifier 12 <0.1% of uses Reference 2 <0.1% of uses
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Value type “historic county of the United Kingdom (Q67376938), county of Ireland (Q179872)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value historic county of the United Kingdom (Q67376938), county of Ireland (Q179872) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7959#Value type Q67376938, Q179872, SPARQL

Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7959#Scope, SPARQL

Item “country (P17): United Kingdom (Q145), Republic of Ireland (Q27), United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (Q174193), Kingdom of Great Britain (Q161885), Kingdom of England (Q179876), Kingdom of Scotland (Q230791), England (Q21)”: Items with this property should also have “country (P17): United Kingdom (Q145), Republic of Ireland (Q27), United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (Q174193), Kingdom of Great Britain (Q161885), Kingdom of England (Q179876), Kingdom of Scotland (Q230791), England (Q21)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7959#Item P17, search

Type “geographic location (Q2221906), occurrence (Q1190554), architectural structure (Q811979), human settlement (Q486972), facility (Q13226383), geographic region (Q82794)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)” with classes “geographic location (Q2221906), occurrence (Q1190554), architectural structure (Q811979), human settlement (Q486972), facility (Q13226383), geographic region (Q82794)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7959#Type Q2221906, Q1190554, Q811979, Q486972, Q13226383, Q82794, SPARQL

Item “coordinate location (P625)”: Items with this property should also have “coordinate location (P625)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7959#Item P625, SPARQL

Property “coordinate location (P625)” declared by target items of “historic county (P7959)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “coordinate location (P625)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7959#Target required claim P625, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value)

Property “locator map image (P242)” declared by target items of “historic county (P7959)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “locator map image (P242)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7959#Target required claim P242, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value)

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P7959#Entity types

This property is being used by: ang:Bysen:Cyþþubox Bretta tun fr:Modèle:Infobox Ville du Royaume-Uni de:Vorlage:Infobox Ort im Vereinigten Königreich hy:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Հուշարձան Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

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Infrastruktur

Notified participants of WikiProject property constraints

Surely this property must have some additional constraints on its usage? Firstly, I assume a historic county inherently no longer exists thus any value used requires an end date. Working from the premise that the county no longer exists, the item must have existed during the same period as the county for the claim to be valid and a temporal constraint is therefore required.

I would be grateful if someone with experience of modelling constraints would review this property and it usage as I am concerned it is being used too broadly for its stated purpose but this is not picked up by the existing constraints. Best regards, Simon Cobb (User:Sic19 ; talk page) 20:34, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

• Have a look at Wikidata:Property_proposal/historic_county. --- Jura 20:43, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Lookup tool

https://wikishire.co.uk/lookup/ is a useful tool that returns historic county given postcode, lat,long and grid references. It will accept and produce csv files Vicarage (talk) 06:59, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Extend scope beyond Britain

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P7959 reports people using it for Slovakian counties. They seem equivalent to British ones as historical artefacts. I think this property should be broadened for all defunct counties worldwide to allow this usage. Vicarage (talk) 10:52, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Also for Roman provinces in Spain for Iruña-Veleia (Q796596). There are dubious uses though, like the Kingdoms, German Reich for Geismannsaal (Q1431243) Vicarage (talk) 11:01, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. This property needs to have its scope extended. It is highly relevant to Norway which recently had a reform on counties and municipalities. Infrastruktur (talk) 21:09, 9 December 2022 (UTC)