Property talk:P8514

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TOPCMB ID
unique identifier for a entity Tesauro de Objetos do Patrimônio Cultural nos Museus Brasileiros website

Applicable "stated in" value	Tesauro Museus (Q97732428)
Data type	External identifier
Example	doll (Q168658) → Boneca coat of arms (Q14659) → Brasão
Source	http://www.tesauromuseus.com.br/
Formatter URL	http://www.tesauromuseus.com.br/detalhe-tesauro-ordem-alfabetica/$1
Related to country	Brazil (Q155) (See 94 others)
See also	Art & Architecture Thesaurus ID (P1014)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P8514 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 3,407 Main statement 3,404 >99.9% of uses Qualifier 2 <0.1% of uses Reference 1 <0.1% of uses
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Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8514#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8514#Single value, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8514#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8514#Scope, SPARQL

please be stricter with TOPCMB items

Pinged at https://t.me/c/1224298920/67780

• you have created type of arts (Q107196885). Is it different from type of arts (Q56055944)? --CaLéValab (talk) 17:31, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

• You created clothes line (Q107194197) described as "kind of clothes line (Q1432810)".
  • In English, it's not possible for "clothes line" and "clothesline" to describe two different things.
  • Also, you don't describe what is the difference between them. Claiming that one is a subkind of the other doesn't explain what's the difference.

Just because two items exist in TOPCMB, does not mean that you necessarily have to create two items in WD.

• The query https://w.wiki/4QfA returns all items with TOPCMB but then please sort by "itemLabel" to look for duplicates

This creates problems eg for Nomenclature for Museum Cataloging (P7749), which is another comprehensive object thesaurus and lists many of the same objects.

• If you examine its Unique value violations, you'll see that some amount of doubled WD items are created from TOPCMB entries.

More problems:

• Another duplicate is odometer (Q745105) vs odometer's register (Q107197035) "odometer (vehicle)". According to Wikipedia articles, odometers are used exactly in vehicles, so why do we need this second item??
• I merged spur (Q740732) with an another item, thus merging TOPCMB "espora" and "aguilhao". If that's wrong, please explain what "aguilhao" means, because "spur" is well illustrated. "Cattle prod" is a different thing, not sure if there's a WD item for it.
• accessories common to various types of vehicles (Q107194350) does not belong to WD because it's too unspecific. Similarly, we didn't create higher-level Nomenclature entries such as "Fishing T&E" (tools and equipment) but only the specific lower level concepts
• air vehicles and accessories (Q107194489) does not belong to WD: we already have "aircraft", and we don't NEED a class for "air vehicles and accessories" (which mixes two things), nor even "aircraft accessories" (which is too unspecific). Also, the description "kind of aircraft class" is wrong
• anvil blacksmith (Q107196599): how is that different from anvil (Q104363), I mean are there anvils NOT for blacksmisths? Also, the English label "anvil blacksmith" is grammatically incorrect, should be "blacksmith's anvil"
• These descriptions are just laughable:
  • "tool to help using something" (candle earmuffs (Q107194134) and decoration (Q107194137))
  • "physical item that can be used to achieve a goal" (adastra (Q107196577), a jewelry tool)
  • "item that is required to exercise a certain activity" (music accessory (Q107194349) and accessories common to various types of vehicles (Q107194350))
• The English label of headwear adornment (Q107196742) "adorno" is wrong
• The English label of activities equipment service (Q107194370) "activities equipment service" is most probably wrong, I cannot properly parse it because it's too unspecific

Please merge some of these items, and remove higher-level abstract items that don't belong to WD. If needed, we can remove the "single value" constraint from TOPCMB ID (P8514) so you can list all their entries for the same WD item.

Cheers! --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 16:56, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Vladimir Alexiev. As Marília left the WMB professional team and, I think, she is not much active in the wiki universe using her personal account, I ask you to forward these questions to me, User:Sturm. This is my personal account, I am one of the founding members of the WMB. Thanks for the notes. I will proceed with the merges. Regards, Sturm (talk) 17:29, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Sturm Thanks for the quick response! I added several more bullets above, and a query that returns all TOPCMB items. Moved the entire discussion to this prop page so we can continue it here. Cheers! --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:36, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, @Vladimir Alexiev: We are starting the review process. It will take some time to verify and fix whatever went wrong, but in the mean time, please feel free and encouraged to merge or delete any error or item you find fit. Good contributions, EPorto (WMB) (talk) 18:28, 17 November 2021 (UTC)