Talk:Q117293931

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Autodescription — Johann Wilhelm von der Pfalz collection (Q117293931)

description: paintings and other artefacts from the 1716 Electoral Gallery in Dusseldorf, some of which was lost, some sold, some in Munich and others in the Düsseldorf Museum Kunstpalast
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@Multichill: @Jane023: I would not create another item, as they are identical. The German article is about building and mainly collection respective painting gallery. Now it is a mass specially with view to commons. The Collection was almost exclusively paintings. There is no need for a bigger organization like collection than Gemäldegalerie. There is no further content to add to the new collection item. The gallery is described in 3 engraving cycles. It is specially useless to link to

⟨ Gemäldegalerie Düsseldorf - former Collection of Johann Wilhelm, Elector Palatine ⟩  Wikidata property  ⟨ object or value ⟩

which has only paintings. So you use the greater organisation collection (without any more artworks than 2 busts) to link to

⟨ Gemäldegalerie Düsseldorf - former Collection of Johann Wilhelm, Elector Palatine ⟩  Wikidata property  ⟨ object or value ⟩

of the smaller organisation (painting gallery). Especially Electoral Gallery Dusseldorf (Q1501215) is not location (P276) for this item, as the German wp article and the categories are 99% about the painting Gallery. It does even make sense to link the Gallery Electoral Gallery Dusseldorf (Q1501215) via {{p|P361} to this "collection" item, as it is misleading, there are only the equestrian statue in the city and 2 busts.

There is an extra article about the in most parts destroyed building Q1299399 which I now have linked via occupant (P466) to Electoral Gallery Dusseldorf (Q1501215). The is no extra commons cat for the building.

⟨ Gemäldegalerie Düsseldorf - former Collection of Johann Wilhelm, Elector Palatine ⟩  Wikidata property  ⟨ object or value ⟩

is with Commons category (P373) linked with Electoral Gallery Dusseldorf (Q1501215) and with this item.

Reference for using only Electoral Gallery Dusseldorf (Q1501215) are Bayerische Staatsgemäldesammlungen-Alte Pinakothek, codart. I noticed some mistakes of paintings in Germany by RKD, which they corrected after I gave them notice.
Best solution would be to leave everything as it was before. The main editors on de wp and commons User:Tfjt and User:Jula2810 are not active on wikidata Oursana (talk) 21:12, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Oursana: was created for provenance based on RKDimages, see this page and history. See for example this one where it's listed.
A Woman Feeding a Parrot, with a Page (Q15804434) is an interesting example if you look at the provenance at https://www.nga.gov/collection/art-object-page.163917.html#provenance . Multichill (talk) 18:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]