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Autodescription — Georgian scripts (Q161428)
description: alphabetic writing systems mostly used to transcribe the Georgian language and other Kartvelian languages
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On the use of ISO 15924 alpha-4 code (P506) and ISO 15924 numeric code (P2620), the ISO 15924 says:
Code N° English Name Nom français Alias Age Date Geok 241 Khutsuri (Asomtavruli and Nuskhuri) khoutsouri (assomtavrouli et nouskhouri) Georgian 1.1 2012-10-16 Geor 240 Georgian (Mkhedruli and Mtavruli) géorgien (mkhédrouli et mtavrouli) Georgian 1.1 2016-12-05
Therefore, in my oppinion the correct tagging is: Geok 241 in Khutsuri (Q1090055), Geor 240 in Mkhedruli (Q3317411) and nothing in Georgian scripts (Q161428) (that includes them all). --SMP (talk) 09:01, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- In your table I see that Geor240 is for Georgian scripts (Q161428) and nothing for Mkhedruli (Q3317411) (which is only part of it, Mtavruli (Q31354943) is another). --Infovarius (talk) 21:08, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- "Mkhedruli" and "Mtavruli" are now separate entries, not owning the ISO 15924 codes grouping the two alternate alphabets that are now included by the newer modern Georgian script (Q118169871) entry that now owns these ISO 15924 "Geor/240" codes. Unicity of code entries from ISO 15924 is now true everywhere (the same is true in the separate entries for "Asomtavruli" and "Nuskhuri", grouped into "Khutsuri", both of which may be used separately as unicameral alphabets, or together in the "Khutsuri" bicameral script; there's no entry defined for the historic system that was proposed and used for a short time to group Mkhedruli and Asomtavruli in a bicameral system, but that was impractical). Note that these two alphabets are alternate styles of exactly the same unicameral script (Mtavruli being more recent and used for titling, smallprints, emphasis, monumental inscriptions, road displays, advertizing as it is easier to read at smaller viewed sizes and allows also compacting some texts with a smaller line height without loosing too much readability.
- Modern Georgian does not use Mkhedruli and Mtavruli jointly in a bicameral way, both being semantically, syntaxically and orthographically equivalent, with just one small superscript modifier letter (shared by both styles but not used in the Georgian language itself), and generic diacritics used by other Kartvelian languages (like Svan), such as the diaeresis, macron, and circumflex accent, or other generic diacritics for common transcriptions of other languages (like other Caucasian languages, Armenian languages, Slavic languages like Russian, Ukrainian and Abkhazian, Hellenic languages like Greek, Coptic or Pontic, Turkic languages like Turkish, Azeri, Kurdish or Crimean Tatar, Semitic languages like Arabic or Hebrew, and Persic languages like Farsi), but Unicode decided to encode these two alphabets distinctly (without case conversions: these style variants are still not "lowercase" letters and "capital" letters of a bicameral system, except possibly in some recent Georgian creations). The modern Georgian alphabet is remarkably simpler to use than Latin for transcriptions of more language families, especially with the Mtavruli style addition. Verdy p (talk) 20:05, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
- Ok. So which alphabet letter of the Georgian alphabet (Q41786270) corresponds to? Can't we use this class as a general for all georgian alphabets? Infovarius (talk) 12:23, 12 May 2023 (UTC)