Talk:Q3235978
Autodescription — circumstellar disk (Q3235978)
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Hello Boivie,
Can you help me? I saw your revert — I don't blame you for it, but I certainly owe you some explanations, such that we may then solve some problems.
The addition of the statement "disambiguation" in the current WD page was actually not expected. All that I did was actually adding the French WP page to the current WD page, since the French page corresponds to its counterparts linked here. The point is that I did not add the name of the French WP page by hand by editing the current WD page, but directly from the pop-up that opens in the French WP page when you want to link pages from different languages (grey link on the left saying "Ajouter des liens", i.e. "Add links"). All I did was indicating that the WP:French page corresponds to the WP:English page "Circumstellar disc" for both pages to be linked together in WD, as the pop-up procedure asks. I was then expecting that it would only add the name of the WP:French page here, and nothing else. Unfortunately, nothing prevented me that, in addition to linking the pages, it had automatically added this "disambiguation" statement in the WD page. I am really sorry that I did not check the WD page after this linking, else I would have seen this (unwanted) mistake and I would have corrected it immediately. From this problem, here I have a first question: who should I contact to ask them to add an indication in the pop-up stating that the automatic linking of the pages wants also to add some additional informations (such as the "disambiguation" statement here)? Actually, the pop-up should not only state that it wants to add some informations in addition to just the name of the WP page, but ask the user (so, in the previous case, me) whether it indeed should add these informations or not. Then, the user would really add what (s)he expects to add. I find it really incredible that WD adds things without that the user be informed!
Back specifically to the "circumstellar disc" pages, I have just removed the "disambiguation" statement in the WP:French page, then I added back the WP:French page to the current WD page. This time, it did not add the "disambiguation" statement in the WD page (this is logical), but it however added the French name as an alias for most languages! How is it even possible?? Should I revert again this addition, and add the WP:French page directly by hand in the WD page for the linking to happen correctly without any bad surprise?? Once again, it is incredible that WD added things without telling me so, especially this time that there is actually no reason for it (for the "disambiguation" statement, OK the WP:French page was classified as such, but now, what did WD base on to add all these aliases????).
Finally, I have a last question: should the WP:French page have kept its "disambiguation" statement in its own side, would WD have added this statement to the WD page anyway, even if I had added the page by hand in WD? Or would only the linking between the page have been done, as one would expect? In other words, does WD consider automatically that all the pages linked in a given WD page are disambiguation pages as soon as one of them is so?
To conclude, thank you very much for your revert — it is never pleasant, but at least it allowed me (and now, maybe you too) to discover what seems to be a major failure in the linking of pages in WD. As I asked before, if you have any information on where I can report this failure and ask for improvements, please let me know.
Best regards,
SenseiAC (talk) 17:25, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
- Hi SenseiAC. I don't know all the inner workings of Wikipedia and Wikidata. But the page on the French Wikipedia was linked to an item on Wikidata that had the type "Wikipedia disambiguation page", and when you did what you did, that item got merged with the item about "circumstellar disk". I have understood that disambiguation page item should not be mixed with other types of items. So if you want to keep the French page as a disambiguation page, you shouldn't use Wikidata for the iw-links, but use the "old" type of iw-links instead. The other alternative could be to expand the French page a bit, so it will become a real article. Boivie (talk) 07:56, 30 November 2016 (UTC)