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description: negative option provided in a binary vote
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word and part of speech[edit]
no (Q41216897) is grammatical particle (Q184943). no (Q1814990) (word used for grammatical negation ("no")) is word (Q8171) --Fractaler (talk) 08:49, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- But grammatical particle (Q184943) is (indirectly) subclass of word (Q8171). What is, substantially, the difference between them? --Horcrux92 (talk) 09:58, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, you are right. I see, it seems here there is an ambiguity with term "word". Is "no" a "character sequence". "character sequence" can be 1) "word with lexical meaning", part of "sentence of language words" ("there was no score at the end of the first period"); 2) "word without lexical meaning", part of "sentence of non-language words" ("th2ere waG no 1score1 at+ the@ enddd of_ the= first^ *period"). Also: yes and no (Q7486410), where "no" is a part of yes and no (Q7486410) (=true and not true/false?). What is what I don't know now. But this is at that remote time, when most Wikimedia editors will stop rejecting the application of mathematics here and fighting against homonyms --Fractaler (talk) 11:52, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- I see now that for votes' results we always use no (Q41216897) (in fact here User:Pasleim states "has use (P366) voting (Q189760)").
- So can we say that no (Q41216897) is the semantic meaning of the word no (Q1814990)? In this case, these edits of mine are wrong, while the English description should be something like "negative result of a vote".
- But is this distinction really necessary? --Horcrux92 (talk) 12:41, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- I think the distinction between the word "no" and "no" as the negative result of a vote is necessary. In some langauges the later is not a word but a symbol or a phrase. "no" as word can have a much broader meaning, particularly in certain languages. --Pasleim (talk) 12:51, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, you are right. I see, it seems here there is an ambiguity with term "word". Is "no" a "character sequence". "character sequence" can be 1) "word with lexical meaning", part of "sentence of language words" ("there was no score at the end of the first period"); 2) "word without lexical meaning", part of "sentence of non-language words" ("th2ere waG no 1score1 at+ the@ enddd of_ the= first^ *period"). Also: yes and no (Q7486410), where "no" is a part of yes and no (Q7486410) (=true and not true/false?). What is what I don't know now. But this is at that remote time, when most Wikimedia editors will stop rejecting the application of mathematics here and fighting against homonyms --Fractaler (talk) 11:52, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- If has use (P366), then this item is Q35968258 --Fractaler (talk) 13:17, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Could there be a relationship with yes–no question (Q1345343)? --Horcrux92 (talk) 18:21, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- w:Yes and no: Some languages do not answer yes–no questions with single words meaning 'yes' or 'no'. Welsh and Finnish are among several languages that typically employ echo answers (repeating the verb with either an affirmative or negative form) rather than using words for 'yes' and 'no', though both languages do also have words broadly similar to 'yes' and 'no'. Other languages have systems named two-form, three-form, and four-form systems, depending on how many words for yes and no they employ. Some languages, such as Latin, do not have yes-no word systems. w:Question#By grammatical form (by grammatical form]]: Questions that ask whether or not some statement is true are called yes–no questions (or polar questions), since they can in principle be answered by a "yes" or "no" (or similar words or expressions in other languages). So, word "no" (or "yes") is component of yes–no question (Q1345343) (is two-form system/yes-no word system) --Fractaler (talk) 09:18, 2 November 2017 (UTC)