Talk:Q58684939
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Autodescription — funding scheme (Q58684939)
description: means of determining funding
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Most funding schemes are funded by something - for instance, the Norwegian Centres of Excellence scheme Q124428181 is funded by Research Council of Norway (Q4356293), and New Danish Screen (Q58684995) is a funding scheme within the Danish Film Institute (Q1201043).
I used funder (P8324) to indicate this relationship for the Norwegian Centres of Excellence scheme (Q124428181). Is this appropriate? If so, perhaps it could be added as a suggested property for all instances of funding scheme (funding scheme (Q58684939))?
Pinging @Fnielsen who proposed the funding schemes property, and @Pintoch, @Bluerasberry and @ChristianKl who participated in the discussion.
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Lijil (talk) 09:42, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Another issue: instance of Research center should be able to take the property funding scheme - e.g. Center for Digital Narrative (Q124428748) is funded by the funding scheme Norwegian Centres of Excellence scheme (Q124428181). Lijil (talk) 12:20, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Lijil: I think this is your proposal:
- Use funder (P8324) -> funding scheme (Q58684939) on any project (Q170584) getting money from that funding scheme (Q58684939).
- Right? That seems like correct use. Bluerasberry (talk) 13:10, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that is correct! Is it possible to add funder (P8324) as a suggested property? I'm not sure what the term for that is, but the properties that are automatically suggested when you create a new item. Thank you for your help - there is a lot to learn as a newcomer, but I'm so excited about all the possiblities of Wikidata :) Lijil (talk) 08:56, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- DINGO is the ontology that resulted from the Wikidata meeting on grants, funders, projects, etc: https://w3id.org/dingo Egon Willighagen (talk) 13:45, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, @Egon Willighagen<nowiki>, I wasn't aware of DINGO. I think the problem is that Center for Digital Narrative (Q124428748) (i.e. a center in a university or elsewhere that funded by a funding scheme (Q58684939) and that is a platform for multiple research project (Q170584)) does not exist in DINGO. I suppose the solution is to make research centres like Center for Digital Narrative (Q124428748) both instance of (P31) research center (Q7315155) and PQ170584 (PQ170584). Lijil (talk) 08:54, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Dear @Lijil in fact in DINGO it is perfectly possible to model exactly complicated cases like this one: given the wide variety of actors and implementations and practices in research DINGO has been conceived with both features typical of so-called domain ontologies, as well as with features typical of more upper ontologies in order to ease the data modelling. So for the case you make one could use for example the classes
Organisation(https://w3id.org/dingo/#Organisation) andOrganisationRole(https://w3id.org/dingo/#OrganisationRole). Please, observe that the DINGO defined Organisation as "social entities with a collective goal" exactly to cope with the wide variety of types of organisations in the world of research. The Center for Digital Narrative (CDN) would simply be a Organisation with aOrganisationRolein the projects of interested to be modeled. And theOrganisationRolewill have, for instance, the attributesrole_labelandrole_typeto allow modeling in more details what the CDN does in the context of projects. Of course sub-classing is always an option as well. On the DINGO page there are examples of modelling that can be useful. (Apologies for editing without logging in with an account: I cannot retrieve my credentials right now). 158.169.150.27 13:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Dear @Lijil in fact in DINGO it is perfectly possible to model exactly complicated cases like this one: given the wide variety of actors and implementations and practices in research DINGO has been conceived with both features typical of so-called domain ontologies, as well as with features typical of more upper ontologies in order to ease the data modelling. So for the case you make one could use for example the classes
- Thank you, @Egon Willighagen<nowiki>, I wasn't aware of DINGO. I think the problem is that Center for Digital Narrative (Q124428748) (i.e. a center in a university or elsewhere that funded by a funding scheme (Q58684939) and that is a platform for multiple research project (Q170584)) does not exist in DINGO. I suppose the solution is to make research centres like Center for Digital Narrative (Q124428748) both instance of (P31) research center (Q7315155) and PQ170584 (PQ170584). Lijil (talk) 08:54, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think it should also be possible to use it as a qualifier, see High-Definition Tomography (Q55089213) where there is sponsor (P859) to European Research Council (Q1377836) and as qualifier funding scheme (P6195) to The European Research Council Advanced Grant (Q59389116). Although there currently is a warning. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 10:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)