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Autodescription — Yuan dynasty (Q7313)
description: Mongol-led imperial dynasty of China (1271–1368)
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Geography
- Places in Yuan dynasty (query)
- Map of places in Yuan dynasty (query)
- List of monuments (Monumental (Q29167605))
- List of places ordered by altitude (query) (Based on elevation above sea level (P2044).)
- Count of buildings by architectural style (query)
- List of highest buildings (query) (Based on height (P2048).)
- Organizations with headquarters in Yuan dynasty (query)
- List of items which have power over or which apply to Yuan dynasty (query) (applies to jurisdiction (P1001))
People
- People born in Yuan dynasty, sorted by number of sitelinks (query)
- Main occupation of people born in Yuan dynasty (query)
- People dead in Yuan dynasty, sorted by number of sitelinks (query) (place of death (P20))
- People buried in Yuan dynasty, sorted by number of sitelinks (query) (place of burial (P119))
- People living in Yuan dynasty, sorted by number of sitelinks (query) (residence (P551))
Arts and fictions
- List of items with narrative location in Yuan dynasty (query) (narrative location (P840))
- List of movies with filming location in Yuan dynasty (query) (filming location (P915))
- See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Country subdivision
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@Infovarius: Before your edit at 09:31, 8 March 2020, Q10531418 had been a permanent duplicated item of Q7313. You separated these two items into one for Yuan Empire (Q7313) and the other for Yuan dynasty (Q10531418). What's the difference? A dynasty in Chinese history is usually seen as both a dynasty and a historical country. Are you going to split every Chinese dynasty item into two, one for dynasty and the other for country (empire)? --Neo-Jay (talk) 10:56, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
- Do you really think that a family (group of people) and a state (system of ruling) is the same? Wikidata can't mix such different things. --Infovarius (talk) 21:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Infovarius: All the other Chinese dynasty items refer to the historical countries. There are items referring to their ruling families, e.g, the House of Zhu (Q5185064) for the Ming dynasty (a country, Q9903). The royal house of the Yuan was Borjigin (Q1059073). If you want to make Q10531418 to be a more specific item for emperors of the Yuan as a part of (P361) Q1059073, fine. But almost all the Wikipedia links at Q10531418, although titled as "dynasty", mainly refer to the historical country (see, e.g., en:Yuan dynasty, zh:元朝, et al.). If you do not object, I will move those links back to Q7313. --Neo-Jay (talk) 01:37, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hm, there's so many I don't know... And what about Northern Yuan dynasty (Q8959)? Isn't it ruled by "Yuan dynasty"? --Infovarius (talk) 23:34, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
- Rulers of the Yuan (Q7313) and of the Northern Yuan (Q8959) came from the same family, Borjigin (Q1059073), and the last emperor of the Yuan, Toghon Temür (Q8666), was also the first khan (or emperor in Chinese language) of the Northern Yuan. But the Yuan and the Northern Yuan are seen as different countries for the Northern Yuan lost control of China proper (Q2079794), the main part of the Yuan's territory. As the English Wikipedia article describes, the Northern Yuan operated as a rump state after the collapse of the Yuan. If the "Yuan dynasty" is defined as the specific royal house ruling the Yuan (Q7313), the Northern Yuan was not ruled by the so-called "Yuan dynasty". If you like, you may also create an item for the royal house of the Northern Yuan, which is a part of (P361) Borjigin (Q1059073) and replaces (P1365) the royal house of the Yuan (Q10531418). --Neo-Jay (talk) 02:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- I have moved 66 Wikipedia links from Q10531418 back to Q7313. And I changed Q10531418's English label from "Yuan dynasty" to "imperial house of the Yuan Empire" (see this, this, and this) for clarification and added "Yuan dynasty" as English alias to Q10531418 and Q7313 because in English the "Yuan dynasty" often, if not usually, refers to the historical country, not its imperial house. --Neo-Jay (talk) 16:47, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
- Hm, there's so many I don't know... And what about Northern Yuan dynasty (Q8959)? Isn't it ruled by "Yuan dynasty"? --Infovarius (talk) 23:34, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Infovarius: All the other Chinese dynasty items refer to the historical countries. There are items referring to their ruling families, e.g, the House of Zhu (Q5185064) for the Ming dynasty (a country, Q9903). The royal house of the Yuan was Borjigin (Q1059073). If you want to make Q10531418 to be a more specific item for emperors of the Yuan as a part of (P361) Q1059073, fine. But almost all the Wikipedia links at Q10531418, although titled as "dynasty", mainly refer to the historical country (see, e.g., en:Yuan dynasty, zh:元朝, et al.). If you do not object, I will move those links back to Q7313. --Neo-Jay (talk) 01:37, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Infovarius: You changed Q7148619's category's main topic from the Yuan Empire (Q7313) to its imperial house (Q10531418). I reverted your edit (the category for the Yuan Empire's imperial house is Q9442762, to which I moved ru:Категория:Династия Юань (see this and this) and uk:Категорія:Династія Юань (see this and this) from Q7148619) and merged Q7773931 into Q7148619. I don't know why you added "Wikimedia disambiguation category" (Q15407973) as "instance of" (P31) to Q7148619, which does not refer to a disambiguation category and actually refers to the category for the Yuan Empire, not its imperial house. So I removed it. Furthermore, you added Q7148619 (self-referencing. I guess that you meant to add Q9442762, not Q7148619) and Q7773931 as "has part" (P527) to Q7148619. I removed them (see this and this) because P527 should not be added to a category (see conflicts-with constraint in P527). And "Category:Imperial house of the Yuan Empire" (Category:Yuan dynasty) is a subcategory of "Category:Yuan Empire". We do not need to create an item for a category that both "Category:Imperial house of the Yuan Empire" and "Category:Yuan Empire" are subcategories of. --Neo-Jay (talk) 16:32, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, of course he's right and we should separate the human family from the era of rule and both from the empire whose territory and governmental administration they oversaw. "Imperial house of the Yuan Empire" is naturally silly. You mean the Yuan dynasty. LlywelynII (talk) 09:36, 22 April 2023 (UTC)