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Discussion continued at WD:CHAT. I didn't claim "server software (Q1371279) = web application (Q189210)"; Only Q1371279 and Q528166 can make sense for every program (a good candidate for P31/P279). Items like Q189210 add very little (as they disrespect OSI model (Q93312)) such value should be in P366 or as secondary classification.

Hi. When people revert your edits and you re-revert them, please at least have the courtesy to provide some justification. Why do you insist on adding these statements to server software (Q1371279), web framework (Q1330336), web application (Q189210)? And please provide some sources to support your claims.

consider your edits first

server software (Q1371279) "server software" "software providing a [network] service"

Now, can you provide source that claims web applications not as servers?

Most effort you should apply is to open en:Web application:

"In computing, a web application or web app is a client–server software application"

The fact that a web application is accessible via some software providing a network service, does not mean it is the same as server software. Your claim is essentially that, because pine is a tree, we should add a statement "Picea (Q26782) [pine] is said to be the same as tree (Q10884)".

But if you consider the details, they clearly they are not the same concepts: not every tree is a pine. Similarly it's incorrect to say that "server software is the same as web application". Not every server is a web server and sometimes web servers are used to just proxy requests or serve files -- without any particular component that we would call a "web application".

> Now, can you provide source that claims web applications not as servers?

The burden of proof to provide sources is on you if you want to add this statement, not on me to prove you wrong.

I don't see sources that "web application" is different from "server software".

Unconstructive so far.

web browser (Q6368) is a client, web application is "server" (or server software (Q1371279))

> I don't see sources that "web application" is different from "server software".

You need sources which state that they are the same in order to support your statement.

The way you phrased that, you're suggesting that every server software is a web application?

> web browser (Q6368) is a client, web application is "server" (or server software (Q1371279))

Nope. Web server is the server. A web application is an application that is accessible from a web server.

Nope. Web server is the server. A web application is an application that is accessible from a web server.

You mix server (Q44127) and server software (Q1371279).

Please respond to the rest of my comment too.

@Intgr: how about you open en:Web application and follow first link from the first sentence?

https://www.lifewire.com/what-is-a-web-application-3486637

A Web application is any application that uses a Web browser as a client. The application can be as simple as a message board or a guest sign-in book on a website or as complex as a word processor or a spreadsheet. What is a Client?

The 'client' is used in client-server environment to refer to the program the person uses to run the application. A client-server environment is one in which multiple computers share information such as entering information into a database.

The 'client' is the application used to enter the information, and the 'server' is the application used to store the information.

I consider server software (Q1371279) as the only item suitable for that definition of "server".

That source looks like an introductory text for non-technical people, that makes oversimplifications for educational purposes. And it still requires nontrivial interpretation of the source to reach your conclusion. I don't think anyone reading that text would take away that 'web application=server', if they didn't go there looking for that conclusion to begin with.

Do you consider FTP server software (Q3958017) to be server software? So if you say that "server software" is the same as "web application", would you also say that FTP server software is a web application?

I know very well what client (Q528166) and server software (Q1371279) is.

You bring third option "web application". You bring fourth option "FTP server".

Do you really think there something else other than client (Q528166) and server software (Q1371279) in Hypertext Transfer Protocol (Q8777) or File Transfer Protocol (Q42283)?

I really don't understand what you're trying to say in the last comment or what the misunderstanding is. So let me rephrase my point:

1. FTP server software (Q3958017) is a subclass of server software (Q1371279) - I think we both agree on that?
2. You claim that server software (Q1371279) = web application (Q189210)
3. Therefore FTP server software (Q3958017) is a subclass of web application (Q189210) ???

So following claim (2) leads one to a really weird conclusion. If (2) were really true then (3) should also make sense.

@Intgr: it is enough to say that you don't see relation to Hypertext Transfer Protocol (Q8777) or File Transfer Protocol (Q42283).

@Intgr: point me part of FTP standard that says "FTP server software".

https://filezilla-project.org/:

Welcome to the homepage of FileZilla®, the free FTP solution. Both a client and a server are available.

^ they are not crazy enough to use "web application" or "server software".

@Intgr: point me part of HTTP standard that says "HTTP server software" or "web application".

@Intgr: If you ignore my question second time, I will close discussion here. You could discuss your question at WD:CHAT.