User talk:Tolanor

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Best regards! Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:37, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

decemvir legibus scribundis (Q1969993)

Hello! I have undone you're merging of decemvir legibus scribundis (Q1969993) with Decemviri (Q3704490). Currently, the first item refers to the function exerced by an individual, while the other refers to the first body of the decemviri (just like Second Decemvirate (Q3704489) refers to the second). --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 10:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay, got it, thanks. Best, --Tolanor (talk) 13:14, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Idaios on RE

Hallo ! Could you look ad s:de:RE:Idaios 1, s:de:RE:Idaios 2 and s:de:RE:Idaios 3? I have the feeling they should be split in different entries, but I don't know the workflow on the German Wikisource. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 18:08, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the note! You are right. However, this is actually a very unusal case since the articles are wrongly named in the original RE and have to be split up "artificially". I separated them now. You can find them on s:de:RE:Idaios 1, s:de:RE:Idaios 2 and s:de:RE:Idaios 3 as well as s:de:RE:Idaios 1, s:de:RE:Idaios 2 and s:de:RE:Idaios 3. Please continue connecting them to Wikidata! --Tolanor (talk) 23:45, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Splendid, thank you very much! --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 10:09, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

DPRR and RE

Hallo! Wie so oft hat DPRR die RE-Nummer, habe ich ein klein SPARQL-Query geschrieben, das die QID mit Digital Prosopography of the Roman Republic ID (P6863) aber ohne described by source (P1343)Paulys Realenzyklopädie der klassischen Altertumswissenschaft (Q1138524) findet. Allerdings sind einige DPRR not in RE, aber sie sind eine Minderheit. Ich hoffe es wird dir etwas hilfen. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 06:15, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

SELECT * WHERE {
  ?human wdt:P31 wd:Q5 ; wdt:P6863 ?somevalue .
  FILTER ( NOT EXISTS { ?human wdt:P1343 wd:Q1138524 } )
}

Try it!

Super, vielen Dank, das ist sehr hilfreich! Habe es gerade ausprobiert. Wenn Du Fragen zur Wikisource-RE hast oder Hilfe benötigst, sag gerne immer bescheid! --Tolanor (talk) 11:42, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

RE stats

Hallo! Ich benutze das folgende query zweimal, eins mit der letzte Linie, eins ohne, dann substrahiere ich die Ergebnisse:

SELECT * WHERE {
  ?article wdt:P31 wd:Q13433827 ; wdt:P361 wd:Q1138524 .
  #Remove the following line to have every articles instead
  FILTER ( NOT EXISTS { ?article  wdt:P921 [] } )
}

Try it!

Diese query sucht ob ein Qid ein Artikel der Realencyclopädie ist und kein P921 hat. Du kannst auch den Gegenteil machen, nämlich suchen ob ein Artikel ein P921 hat:

SELECT DISTINCT ?article WHERE {
  ?article wdt:P31 wd:Q13433827 ; wdt:P361 wd:Q1138524 .
  #Remove the following line to have every articles instead
  ?article wdt:P921 ?something .
}

Try it!

--Jahl de Vautban (talk) 06:16, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Pauly queries

Hi @Tolanor, thanks for the great time! Here is the query we discussed earlier. It describes all pauly articles, having a main topic that has some kind of "instance of statement". Best of luck! 🐖 Tomukas (talk) 17:06, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Okay, hast Du noch das Query nur für die topics, die als instance "Wikimedia disambiguation page" oder "Wikimedia human name disambiguation page" haben? --Tolanor (talk) 17:22, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Here we go: https://w.wiki/67Fb --Tomukas (talk) 21:57, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Merge request

Hello.

Can you merge the Wikidata page of "Category:Transport in Sumgait" (Q7889264) with the Wikidata page of "Category:Transport in Sumgait" (Q106950000)?

Yours sincerely, 31.200.17.120 09:34, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Zentrales Thema um Paulys Verweisen

Hallo Tolanor, kleine Anfrage über die Verweisen des Paulys: sollte sie ein main subject (P921) haben oder sollte nur das Ziel des Verweis ein zentral Thema haben? E.g. für Antoninus Pius. Danke! --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 09:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi! Was genau meinst Du mit Zentralthema? IMO every RE Item should only have exactly 1 main subject (and it would actually be good to have a list of items where there's more than 1), but every item can be "described by source" = several different RE articles, like Antoninus Pius is. Sometimes there are double articles (like s:de:RE:Gregorios 7 and s:de:RE:Gregorios 9) or Verweisungen (redirects) within RE that can be useful to be linked to. Tolanor (talk) 10:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Specifically, I meant: for RE items being instance of (P31)cross-reference (Q1302249), should we 1) add a main subject (P921) statement on them and 2) add the reciprocity on the item described? On Antoninus Pius, I was refering to Aelius 24 (Pauly-Wissowa) (Q19981194) and Aelius 66 (Pauly-Wissowa) (Q19981263) which are only redirect to the fuller Aurelius 138 (Pauly-Wissowa) (Q34391642).

I am asking because I made several queries recently (see User:Jahl de Vautban) to tackle some inconsistencies in the way we are modeling the relation between RE articles and their subject, and if we can agree on a standardised wat of dealing with cross-reference (Q1302249) I could work on that too. Also here is your list of RE articles having two or more subjects : [1] --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 11:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Great to know that I'm not the only person thinking about these questions! To 1), it's definitely a yes from me. These links are helpful for the WS RE and its register. For 2), I often purposefully leave These links out. I'm not entirely sure about making this a general rule, because afair there are some items where the link can be useful as reference for alternative names/labels. What do you think? Tolanor (talk) 22:17, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Well, to be honest my first thought was to go in an opposite way and never link cross-references to their subject, because if they have a subject, then it is only logical that the reverse property exists as well on the subject item. IMO this only create noise, because in the way it is currently modeled on Antoninus Pius it can't be infered that two of those articles are only cross-references, which only give so much. But I reckon that in the absence of a subject there is no way, data-wise, of indicating to what article a cross-reference is actually pointing to, and I also understand that it give a sense of completedness on Wikisource side to have every single article linked to a subject. There is also the case of cross-references pointing to articles that will not get proofread in the near future because of copyrights. So frankly, I don't know. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 17:12, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Can we maybe use "deprecated value" for the Verweisungsitems? Tolanor (talk) 20:26, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure that would be correct, since deprecated should be used for wrong values, whereas a Verweisung does point at something. But perhaps we should put the article itself as a main subject, so that Aelius 24 (Pauly-Wissowa) (Q19981194)main subject (P921)Aurelius 138 (Pauly-Wissowa) (Q34391642)? --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 15:37, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't really like that suggestion, to be honest, because I do believe it would be good to have direct links to the subject items (and thereby to the WP articles) on the WS RE, including on the Verweisungen. If you do not think it is possible to just not create backlinks to the Verweisungs items, then I don't really know what else to do... Best, Tolanor (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Angelion (Q3616838) and Angelion (Q54598772)

Sind das dubletten?: Angelion (Q3616838) and Angelion (Q54598772); wie steht es mit: Angelion and Tectaeus (Q16329475) hat Eintrag "besteht aus" Angelion (Q54598772) und Tectaeus (Q11951091) -- was tun? Ettiwdreg (talk) 18:46, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Auf den ersten Blick sieht das auf jeden Fall nach einer Dopplung aus. Kann man zusammenführen. Viele Grüße Tolanor (talk) 18:51, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Hab sie gemergt, danke für den Hinweis! Viele Grüße, --Tolanor (talk) 00:41, 18 April 2023 (UTC)