Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive/2015/11

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Indef semi of Q20871197

Following a global lock of all involved accounts regarding this cross-wiki spam, IPs are now undoing entries here, although all articles have been deleted. link to Meta I suggest the data entry here on Wikidata is kept, it keeps tracking easier, but semi is required. Thanks, Sam Sailor (talk) 19:34, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Is there some reason why the page should be kept? AFAICS it doesn't meet the Wikidata notability criterias. Anyway, if we protect the page then it's not even possible to add links to it (for anons). --Stryn (talk) 19:43, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
I have deleted the sitelink because deleted on Wiki. Now I think that does not meet the notability policy. --ValterVB (talk) 20:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
I just deleted the item. Keeping and protecting it would not stop them from making another (duplicate) item on the same thing. If this continues to be a problem, abuse filters are an option.--Jasper Deng (talk) 20:05, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Vandalisme

Bonjour, apparemment l'utilisateur 151 cp supprime des liens sur des pages anciennement crées pour les mettre sur des pages récemment crées par sa personne (voir [1]). Méphisto38 (talk) 4 novembre 2015 à 10:00 (UTC)

I think the problem is that the user doesn't know items already exist and creates new items, then notices he can't add some sitelinks, looks them up en moves them to the new item. User doesn't know he needs to merge the two items. Mbch331 (talk) 10:11, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
I pointed the user to the instructions on merging items and left a message on the users talkpage on itwiki (which seems to be the homewiki of the user). Mbch331 (talk) 10:20, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Désolé Mbch331, mais je ne comprends pas tout ce que vous dites. Quelqu'un peut traduire en français, s'il vous plaît. Merci d'avance, Méphisto38 (talk) 4 novembre 2015 à 10:40 (UTC)
Sorry, my French is too bad to translate it. U can use Google Translate. Mbch331 (talk) 10:46, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
OK, my English is not great either. Thanks Méphisto38 (talk) 4 novembre 2015 à 11:00 (UTC)
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know the existence of the possibility of merging items. (For example, de.wiki "Kategorie:Präsidentschaftswahlen in Somalia" was connected with fr.wiki "Catégorie:Élection présidentielle en Somalie"; and, separately, it.wiki "Categoria:Elezioni presidenziali in Somalia" was connected with en.wiki "Category:Presidential elections in Somalia"). I thought that an unification was necessary, but I wasn't aware of this possibility of merging items. I thank Méphisto38 for alerting me about this possibility (although he has been so "kind" to believe that I'm a vandal...) and I sincerely thank Mbch331 for his explanations. I apologize for any inconvenience. --151 cp (talk) 11:16, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

B.Zsolt

Anybody who have the curage to halt B.Zsolt. The user adds area to US counties with 1 as unit by the help of an external tool. A short temporary block to make her/him aware of what (s)he do wrong? -- Innocent bystander (talk) 18:39, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Blocked for 2 hours. Now waiting when they will look at their talk page. --Stryn (talk) 18:52, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

91.40.150.240

91.40.150.240 (talk • contribs • logs)

Vandal only edits. --DR (talk) 10:59, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but only two. Feel free to warn them. Jared Preston (talk) 11:05, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Deleted items

I received the following messages :

1) == Q16010011 == Hi, Could you please restore this entry? The page has been deleted on wp.fr, but the wikidata item was not empty, see VIAF, BNF and SUDOC. Thanks. genium ⟨✉⟩ 08:30, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Idem for the following items:
genium ⟨✉⟩

2) == Deleted items == Hello, Could you please stop deleting items that are referenced in known databases (VIAF, ISNI, BNF, SUDOC etc…)? Thank you. genium ⟨✉⟩ 00:09, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

I deleted the items that had been removed from wikipedia, most of them were not relevant or were promotional, so am I wrong? --LadyInGrey (talk) 01:22, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Having a sitelink is only one of the things listed on Wikidata:Notability that can make something notable. When an item has external identifiers, there's often an argument that it meets the second point even if it doesn't meet the first, so I tend to be quite cautious about deleting things like that. I can't comment on the first two, but I think Jonathan Tiecoura (Q3183477) could be considered relevant, it already had two external identifiers, an IMDb identifier could be added and it could be linked to/from Les Monos (Q3233908) as a cast member. - Nikki (talk) 03:19, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
This is actually a very general question and needs to be properly discussed. I also normally delete the items which have no sitelinks and no incoming links, unless there are special circumstances. It is fine with me to keep items with external identifiers but no sitelinks and no incoming links, however, we should realize that in this case many more items get notable that just those which have Wikipedia articles. For example, all astronomical objects become notable (they all can easily get external identifiers). I am not sure this is what the community had in mind when we adopted the notability requirements, but I am open to discuss.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:50, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks @Nikki: and @Ymblanter: for your comments. --LadyInGrey (talk) 18:31, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Well, there have been quite a few imports of items from databases, having an external identifier (and in most cases a couple of statements), which are considered notbale. Think of geographical objects, cultural heritage objects, genes and proteines, taxa. Astronomical objects wouldn't be unfit I think. Allmost 2.5 million items do not have a sitelink (see User:Pasleim/Sitelink statistics). I really think there is no point in blindly deleting items of which the sitelink is deleted, but do have a good external identifier. Indeed, "good" has a subjective part in it. Just like "notable". Lymantria (talk) 18:28, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
I think IMDB is currently the most problematic one.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:31, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata:Properties for deletion

There is some backlog on Wikidata:Properties for deletion. Please help with making decisions. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 19:58, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

User:Yellowcard

Please block temporarily this user. S/he creates a bunch of new empty items of arguable notability and isn't willing to discuss. --Infovarius (talk) 15:00, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

@Infovarius: I've given them a last warning, now I'll wait... --AmaryllisGardener talk 15:59, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Infovarius and AmaryllisGardener, sorry for any inconvenience or obscurities. Of course I'm willing to discuss, but I don't think this is the right place. Where to move? However, I did not create empty items, I rather cleaned up some bot-created mass that confused disambiguation pages and surname items. Those two are completely different things that do not belong into one item. I did not want to upset you by doing this. Regards, Yellowcard (talk) 18:33, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Ok, let's move to your usertalk, later may be to project Names. --Infovarius (talk) 20:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Q17320422

Chan Saen Chai (Q17320422) was deleted as being an empty item. However, that is strange, because I recorded that item as being about the Chan Saen Chai municipality (same location but not to be confused with Chan Saen Chai (Q15985092)) in my external data on the Thai administrative units, and the User:TambonBot should have added lots of statements. Can someone please check if it was really empty, and undelete if not? Ahoerstemeier (talk) 11:47, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, it was not empty. I undeleted it. Pamputt (talk) 12:23, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. It seems there are some misunderstandings on the notability criteria for items missing Wikipedia links, as the admin who deleted the item (@LadyInGrey: still believes she was correct. Ahoerstemeier (talk) 13:32, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Evidentemente mi ingles es terrorifico y no puedo darme a entender. No borre este item por estar vacio. Borro muchas paginas a la vez luego de verificar sus historiales y ver que la pagina que estaba enlazada fue borrada de la Wikipedia de origen. Pongo item vacio por comodidad, nada mas.
Mi pensamiento es el siguiente: Si Wikipedia borra la pagina original es porque detecto un problema, ya sea un vandalismo, una pagina promocional o algo irrelevante. Si la comunidad estuvo de acuerdo en el borrado, quien soy yo para decir que estan equivocados y que esa pagina o item debe quedarse. Al borrar el item creado solamente acompaño la decision de la comunidad que borro la pagina. Si siguen el enlace veran que la pagina se borro de th.wikipedia el 9 de Julio del 2014, hace ya 16 meses, (no fue un "borrado rapido") y nunca mas se creo.
Antes de quedar como el monstruo de los borrados, aviso que asi como las borro, tambien las recupero cuando ya vuelven a tener pagina en wikipedia: [[2]]. Fin de la cuestion. --LadyInGrey (talk) 23:01, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Cuenta creada para vandalizar: Robertoeltroll

This account was created to vandalize, as you can see in his/her contributions history. He/she vandalized Q177220. Should he/she be blocked? --Zerabat (talk) 12:52, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, no willingness to contribute positively. Blocked indefinitely. Pamputt (talk) 17:16, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/62.175.219.222

Vandalism. Danneks (talk) 10:09, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Warned. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 10:09, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

User:Pigsonthewing

Would someone ask this rude[3][4] person to stop editing and/or moving around my comments[5][6][7][8][9]? This happens despite having asked him not to do so [10][11]. --- Jura 00:06, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

@Jura1: Diffs please? --AmaryllisGardener talk 04:02, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
✓ added above. --- Jura 10:24, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Jura. --AmaryllisGardener talk 19:20, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Warned. --AmaryllisGardener talk 19:24, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I was not notified of this discussion, nor offered the opportunity to explain my actions. I refute the allegation that my behaviour was improper, and note that Jura1 has moved my comments, more than once. Regarding the so-called "evidence" posted above; in order:

  • In [12], I simply moved the proponent's own !vote so that it was under the correct, "motivation", sub-heading, per the template.
  • In [13], I undid Jura1's attempt to move my comment to an invented "usual" sub-section, divorcing it from the other comments.
  • In [14] I undid Jura1's attempt to move a subheading between his comment and replies to it, leaving those replies with malformed indentation. Jura1 was warned for his comments in that discussion.
  • In [15] I fixed formatting errors in a proposal template (not a comment) including one causing a bright red error message. As a TemplateEditor-bit holder, I see ensuring that proposals are not malformed as one of my duties.
  • In [16], I archived a discucssion after another editor closed it as "not done".
  • [17] concerns a false allegation of me having edited a comment when I did not do so.
  • My reply to [18] (in which Jura1 complains about me fixing the malformed proposal mentioned above) was [19] and I stand by that.

-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:43, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: It's not unusual - and AFAIK, not against policy - to simply notify the user via section mention. As far as the other stuff goes, I'll wait for another's opinion on the matter. --AmaryllisGardener talk 21:51, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
User:Pigsonthewing: can you confirm that you didn't receive a notification for my first post here? Further, do you agree that you did insert the various section headers you mention, move my comments there and at no point you mention did this in the discussions? Can you further confirm that you edit proposal by removing parts of them before archiving them? --- Jura 10:55, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

@AmaryllisGardener: Jura1 is now using this as an excuse to disruptively reintroduce errors in another malformed property proposal. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:25, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@AmaryllisGardener: And again, moving a comment from above a reply to it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:39, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Spam user, please block

User:Qkrqotjd02 I used to be an admin here but I'm not any longer. Otherwise, I'd block him myself. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:32, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Also Special:Contributions/Pky115. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:39, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Same person, eh? Thanks for your vigilance. Both accounts have been blocked indef. Jared Preston (talk) 06:18, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
@Jared Preston: Maybe a little premature but it would be nice if you would consider Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Administrator/Koavf_2. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:22, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

User:SKbot

Would you stop this bot until Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_DNB#page_rewritten. is sorted out? --- Jura 08:16, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

bangla langues waanted

i want bangla langues  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Salman shariar (talk • contribs) at 18:43, 26 November 2015‎ (UTC).

Sorry, but I do not understand your request. Could you tell us more about it? Pamputt (talk) 19:46, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Austin TV merge

Please merge:

--  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Omar sansi (talk • contribs) at 22:41, 28 November 2015‎ (UTC).

→ ← Merged --Pasleim (talk) 22:42, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Merge

✓ Done but for Q6273866 can you check the date of birth? --ValterVB (talk) 19:34, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
Will do! I will get the right year from the biography and check a few other genealogical sources for which of the two is correct and write you back here. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:07, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
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