Wikidata:Project chat/Archive/2014/06

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citizenship

now in the game we had citizenship but this is a very delicate work for example François L'Huillier de Hoff (Q3085042) is suggested as France (Q142) but in those days we had First French Empire (Q71084) or Second French Empire (Q71092) --Rippitippi (talk) 02:19, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Citizenship can be complicated, I'm not really sure if a simple yes/no game is really suitable for that (for most people it'll work, but certainly not for all). Correcting those mistakes will likely take a long time. --Bthfan (talk) 07:48, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

What about changing the label of "citizenship" to "nation state citizenship" or to "modern country of citizenship"? And then we could have a "historic citizenship" for other cases.--Micru (talk) 08:37, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

See also the recent discussions concerning country of citizenship and Deutschland = Deutschland? in the archives. --HHill (talk) 10:07, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Per request on my talk page, I've added a warning about such issues to the game page. This sub-game is to set country of citizenship (P27); details about what values are appropriate should probably be discussed there. Note that it is relatively simple to find known problem candidates (here:country of citizenship (P27):France (Q142), but died before 1870) automatically. --Magnus Manske (talk) 15:30, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Indeed, I just had fun with Friedrich Preller the Younger (Q1461579) who was born in Weimar in 1838 (so Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (Q155570)) and died in 1901 (so German Empire (Q43287)), neither of them Germany (Q183). (Also, finding which historic country the city of Weimar was in was tedious; clearly something we should improve!) James F. (talk) 15:45, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Perfection is the enemy of the good. When we know that "French citizens" of a certain date should be called something else, we can run a bot to make that change. When we prevent people to make these "mistakes", you have nothing to operate on. GerardM (talk) 06:20, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata:Tours

Hi guys, I created Wikidata:Tours yesterday after it was tested on the test Wikidata instance for a few weeks. However, I faced some issues now which need community consensus. There are several problems. First, the basic tour and the only one that exists at the moment requires an item which can be edited by a user. However, as soon as two users start to do the tour, they will conflict each other while editing the item because there is only one item where the tour can be started. Additionally, this item is a sandbox which actually gets confusing labels like Paris because of the tour. There will be even more problems in future when we want to explain how to use sitelinks or even statements.

To fix this problems, there seem to be one quite nice solution. We could maintain the tours' translations and code as well as the Wikidata:Tours page on Wikidata but let the users do the actual tour on Testwikidata. There we can create as many items as we want and won't disturb anyone. We could even create a new item for each user who starts a tour. Furthermore, any sitelinks can be used that exist on Testwikipedia which allows us to create greater tours than on Wikidata itself. However, there is also a (more or less) bad issue: New users might get confused which wiki now is the actual production wiki and start to do serious edits on Testwikidata. Furthermore, I don't know how well SUL works atm so that some users would even without recognizing edit under their IP address.

To come to a conclusion, I don't see a better way than to make the tours on Testwikidata. However, we first must consider if the issues there are not too bad. Best regards, -- Bene* ^t_a^l_k 22:03, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I like the idea of having the editing occurring on TestWikidata. It is much less disruptive/annoying to have realistic editing occurring on a test wiki. re the serious editing and stuff; yeah. I can see that as an issue and I can not really come up with an idea to overcome that. John F. Lewis (talk) 22:08, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I also support to put the Tours on Testwikidata. If you state at the beginning and at the end of the tour that it is only Testwikidata, I hope no newbie will start to do serious edits there. --Pasleim (talk) 11:28, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Bene*, thanks for the awesome work on this! I'll be starting work this week on some possible content for Tours and improved site documentation as part of my Wikidata/Outreach Program for Women internship. Is it at all possible to have Tours both on Wikidata and Testwikidata (i.e. some of the modules on Wikidata and some on Testwikidata)? It sounds like editing data might be better suited for Testwikidata, but I think it'd be nice to include basic wiki tasks (like using user pages and discussions) and an orientation to wikis and Wikimedia through Wikidata site sections (including the community portal and help pages). Thepwnco (talk) 23:25, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Thepwnco, great to hear you want to work on some content for the tours. I think we can create a first introduction tour which explains the basic principles and some community pages on Wikidata and move the tours where the users can actually edit the wiki to testwikidata. Based on the few comments above this sounds as the best solution. I will adjust the code to fit this needs asap. If you have any further questions or need some help just tell me on my talk page. -- Bene* ^t_a^l_k 12:13, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

link to Arabic WP

I am unable to link the Arabic language copyvio policy to the English WP. [1] I have started a discussion on the talk page. [2] This came up recently when an Arabic speaker was adding copyvio material to English WP and we could not find the policy page in Arabic to communicate with them. —Neotarf (talk) 08:16, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

You saw that your change has been reverted again: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q13418068&diff=133237727&oldid=131354500 ? As far as I see this the article you linked to has as English title "Wikipedia:Copyright" and not "Wikipedia:Copyright Violations". Or has that Arabic wikipedia article been linked to the wrong Wikidata item? --Bthfan (talk) 08:34, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Creating an interwiki link

Moved from the talk page.

Hi all! I apologise if I'm posting in a wrong place, but I need help creating an interwiki link between two articles, specifically the en:Battle of Orašje and sr:Операција Пламен 95. I tried using "add link" in the Languages menu on the English wiki, and its counterpart at the Serbian wiki, as well as creating a link here on Wikidata directly - but in all instances I received an error message that session data was lost, requesting me to log out than log on back to complete the operation. That produced another error message saying that the link could not be established because the srwiki article is already linked by item Q16086807 - which, at least to me, appears to be the same srwiki article. I have no idea how to resolve this problem, so I thought to ask here. Cheers.--Tomobe03 (talk) 13:38, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

@Tomobe03: Firstly, you have almost come to the right place. Actually, this is the talk page of the most general forum here in Wikidata. I have solved the problem by merging Q17052839 and Battle of Orašje (Q16086807); this process is described here. Nevertheless, thanks for bringing it up! Matěj Suchánek (talk) 14:40, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

academic degree (P512) is this direct participatory or also honorary

Trying to work out the best way to undertake the addition of honorary degrees. I have done as at Charles Darwin (Q1035) where I have added it as an academic award, but to do this properly I need to be able to somehow add a qualifier to utilise honorary degree (Q209896), so that would be "which property for the qualifer?" I have also been pointed to Ralf Reichwald (Q156925) which calls the the honorary degree an award (which case is stronger???) even so, if one does it that way, there is still the need for a qualifier of which type of degree has been awarded for the honorary degree. Though I would still argue that whichever way you go, the (degree|award) is still the LL.D. (or whatever) and the qualifier is that it is honorary.  — billinghurst sDrewth 16:28, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Q17000000

Grevillea newbeyi (Q17000000) is here! Are we still keeping track of every millionth qid? --Jakob (talk) 18:49, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Awesome, but it is a duplicate. Should we move the sitelink and repurpose the item? Grevillea newbeyi (Q15580155) -Tobias1984 (talk) 18:52, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

And it was merged without a game... --Succu (talk) 18:55, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

And the winner is... Csigabi --Succu (talk) 21:12, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Sounds like it was a problem for you... --Stryn (talk) 05:00, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

That's ok. Q17000002 will be milestone.--DangSunM (talk) 23:01, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Coordinates for companies

Some editors are removing coordinates for companies (example: [3], [4]). This is foolish, as the companies in question operated from a single, locatable site. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:16, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Thats we have property Property:P159, that may have coordinates as qualifier. Comapny is legal entity, thus does not have coordinates, headquarters (or main manufacturing building) has them. --Jklamo (talk) 12:45, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't see any basis to assume that a legal entity cannot have a location; but you have been removing coordinates, not moving them to a sub-property. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:31, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I think organizations should not have coordinates. If it is possible to set the coordinates as qualifier to headquarters location (P159), then pleade do, otherwise delete them. /ℇsquilo 06:15, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

It is possible to add them, i am adding them (even before creating headquarters location (P159)). But sometimes i am really not sure, to what is coordinate related (those two linked are companies defunct since 1973 and 1928), it can be former company hq, producing site or even place of foundation.

I am also trying to persuade bots to import these coors as qualifier to hq and not as coors property. --Jklamo (talk) 13:57, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

get article title from one lang to another

Hello, I'm trying to write a script to aid in translation of pages: is it possible to programmatically get the interwiki link from one language to another language (for example: given the article name "Derfflinger-class battlecruiser" from enwiki and the target wiki cswiki, it would return "Třída Derfflinger")? Elfalem (talk) 01:20, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Please understand that the labels used in Wikidata are not necessarily the same as the titles of articles. Titles may contain garbage that aids in creating unique articles. GerardM (talk) 06:18, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

I understand that Wikidata labels may differ from Wikipedia article names. But, shouldn't it be possible that given a valid "garbage" article name in one language (such as "Defender (association football)" in enwiki) to look up which data item has it among its interwiki links and then return the corresponding full article name in another language for that data item if it exists (for example, "Защитник (футбол)" in ruwiki)? Elfalem (talk) 00:46, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I can't answer your question directly, but for items about persons, one could probably fill most languages that use w:Latin script if the label is present in one language (sample Q17096907: no => en,es,pt,nl etc.).

Russian articles sometimes include the article title in Latin script. It would be helpful, if this was added at least as an alias in Wikidata. At a second stage, http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/ would likely try to match the alias with other items already present. --- Jura 02:24, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, if the two languages have the same script, at least person names would be mostly the same. I think I've figured out how to do this using the API. I have to construct the URL as follows: http://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&sites=enwiki&titles=Defender+%28association+football%29&format=xml which finds the right page and lists all the aliases, labels, descriptions, claims and interwiki links. I should be able to filter for a specific language interwiki by appending &sitefilter=ruwiki to the above URL but this throws an error which I think is a bug. Elfalem (talk) 05:42, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Although the xml format throws an error, the query works in json format. In addition, the parameter sitelinks can be used to get only the interwiki link. http://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&format=json&sites=enwiki&titles=Defender%20%28association%20football%29&props=sitelinks&sitefilter=ruwiki Elfalem (talk) 17:33, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Tightening criterion 2 of WD:N

In my opinion, criterion 2 is of WD:Notability is too loose. There are many things that are a "clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity", but are not, and never will be notable. Perhaps, it should actually read "significant coverage in multiple reliable sources". Thoughts? --Jakob (talk) 17:04, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

+1 --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 17:06, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

You quote only part of this criterion. Notable is when "The entity must be notable, in the sense that it can be described using serious and publicly available references". The problem with notability is that you look at it with your own cultural eyes and bias. There are many items that I do not consider notable.. all those grown ups playing with balls for instance. They are notable for others and I do not mind really. GerardM (talk) 17:56, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not too concerned with how it is now. We're supposed to be a source of data... if there is data available on an entity then I think we should allow it. Ajraddatz (talk) 18:30, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Notability is what we decide it is. There is already several millions items. Do we really want to spend time on deletions requests ? This is imho the last thing we want to do, there is so much ... For me the criteria are good as they are. An item primary goal, identifying a subject or an object, that's all, an this can be useful outside of wikimedia. If Wikipedias or other projects want or not to have an article about a subject, I don't really care in Wikidata. TomT0m ^(talk) 22:02, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Can someone answer my question about C3 here? IMO the N policy is unclear and confusing. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 23:30, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

P6 script

While working on Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P6 I thought about a script to add P6 statements more easily to our items. A nice to have would be a list with basic information on heads of government and the position held plus a script that adds that information to existing items for teritorial entities as well as creates new items for persons if necessary.
A basic list could look like this:

Territorial entity;person;sex;citizenship;position;start;end
Q723796;Jean Claude Legoux;m;France;Q30185;2008;09.2011
Q723796;Jacky Furaux;m;France;Q30185;09.2011;

A script should add P6 statements to the item (Q723796) including start and end of term as qualifiers. Further it should create new items for the persons (if not already existing) and add statements like P31:Q5 (human), P21 (sex/gender), P27 (citizenship) and P39 (position held) including the territorial entity as qualifier. Finally the script should remove the line from the list.
I could fill the list with the required information. Anybody, who could do the script? -- Pütz M. (talk) 01:13, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

The right place for this request is Bot requests. However, the problem I see is on the person, need the item becuse the name can be "ambiguos".--ValterVB (talk) 18:12, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

OK ... will move my request. Thanks. -- Pütz M. (talk) 18:37, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Redirects

Is it possible to search for items which has wikilinks to redirects?

E.g. Q1781871 has only one sitelink, to enwp. and that site link is a redirect to another article.

Is it possible to search for this? (t) Josve05a (c) 20:00, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

One would think that a bot can do it, as I understand that redirects are separate tables within the databases. Can you do it manually? I don't think so. There are not meant to be any, and the system is designed to not allow it to happen. Presumably at some point in time a bot will be designed to undertake the task. In the meantime, just fix them manually.  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:37, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

I have found (and reported at RfD) around 5-15 times using the Game. (t) Josve05a (c) 16:29, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

On a per Wiki(pedia) basis this is quite an easy query:

MariaDB [enwiki_p]> SELECT pp_value FROM page JOIN page_props ON page_id=pp_page AND pp_propname='wikibase_item' WHERE page_namespace=0 AND page_is_redirect=1 LIMIT 10;

• articles of faith (Q4800925)
• Eaglet (Q5325395)
• Anomalous operation (Q4769938)
• academic elitism (Q414968)
• bipolar spectrum (Q4915490)
• C*-algebra (Q3631664)
• personal computer hardware (Q7144664)
• transport in the Cocos (Keeling) Islands (Q7835115)
• Cortez (Q402354)
• CNS (Q227890)

We could probably at this to http://tools.wmflabs.org/tsreports/ so you can make a report when you need one. Multichill (talk) 19:48, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't think that a redirect must be deleted. We can create sitelink of redirect with a workaround. --ValterVB (talk) 21:20, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Enduro motorcycle merge

The nl.wikipedia article on Enduromotor has an orphaned wikidata link Q2299526. It should link to the English/Deutsch articles on Enduro motorcycle, Q13405567. Please merge Q13405567 and Q2299526. -- Brianhe (talk) 03:33, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

 Merged into Enduro motorcycle (Q2299526)    - You may use the "merge gadget" to do it easily, see Help:Merge. LaddΩ chat ;) 21:38, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Sports question/problem(?): Differentiate between team and club?

Hi, while performing the described changes of my proposal to change the English description of Q476028 from "football team" to "football club" I noticed that other sports have the same problem(?), if it is one. Now I wonder: What do you think, does it make sense to differentiate between [sports] team and [sports] club (the word "[sports]" here standing for any type of sports, so basketball, volleyball, ...)? Or should Wikidata treat these as synonyms and all items should receive an alias if needed? Also see the Wikidata generic tree on sports organization (Q4438121)    (http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.html?q=4438121&rp=279), you'll notice that there's an item "sports club" (subclass of sports organization (Q4438121)   ) and an item "sports team" (subclass of sports organization (Q4438121)    and team (Q327245)   ). In Wikipedia most articles/items that use "instance of [sports] team" actually describe both a sports club and a sports team in one article. But then some people seem to use team and club as synonyms in English wikipedia (note that I'm no English native speaker). If Wikidata should differentiate between [sports] club and [sports] team, then either a lot of items need to get an additional "instance of" (for example then "instance of basketball club") or the [sports] team items should receive an additional "subclass of sports club" statement. Maybe also a combination of those two if Wikidata decides to slowly move items over. I'm not really sure what the best approach would be.
For additional fun property sport (P641) could be used here instead so that not every sports needs a new "[sports] club" entity :) --Bthfan (talk) 07:24, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

One more funny question : what is a sport ? Is a sport a game, in which case "association football mondial cup football final 2014" will be an instance of football :) I would for myself we better see a sport as a set of club, matches, rules, players, more than just a game, but it's disputable. TomT0m ^(talk) 10:16, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

BTW: The BBC uses the term "CompetitiveSportingOrganisation" in their sports ontology (http://www.bbc.co.uk/ontologies/sport) to avoid(?) the differentiation, but of course their ontology is targeted at what the BBC needs, not what Wikidata and Wikipedia need. --Bthfan (talk) 12:44, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Another note on this: On DBpedia they see team and club as equivalentProperty, see http://dbpedia.org/ontology/team --Bthfan (talk) 13:43, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

I copied the discussion on this to Category talk:Sports task forces so it does not get lost.

From a naive point of view, there is quite a lot of difference between a "club" and a "team". A "club" is an organisation which includes playing and non-playing people, and fields a "team" which consists of playing people. Not only that, but the "team" fielded by that "club" might not stay the same from game to game; they also might have a "B-team" or "reserves" or some such. Does that help? —Phil Boswell (talk) 10:49, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

• One example: CSKA Moscow (Q32140) is a sport club in Moscow which includes football team, hockey team, basketball team and others. --Infovarius (talk) 15:00, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Languages

I just got started here the other day and was doing, among other things, translations into Spanish. I just got on and was doing a bit more editing, but now there's no boxes for other languages. Any idea what's going on? Supernerd11 (talk) 16:27, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Add {{#babel:nl|en-3|de-1|fr-1|es-0|pt-0}} (replace language codes) to your user page. This tells the software what languages you want to see. Multichill (talk) 16:47, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, Spanish is showing up now! Supernerd11 (talk) 18:28, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Help for a Hackday?

Hi, i was asked if there is someone that can help if there are any questions about Wikidata and the API per mail or irc at an opendata-hackday on the 15th of june. http://opendata-hackday.de

Elvis (talk) 09:51, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Murders of...

The English Wikipedia has a number of articles like en:Murder of Shaariibuugiin Altantuyaa (our Q1015770 - I've just de-tagged that as "instance of human"), with no equivalent biography. Should we create biographical entries? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:50, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that those murder case articles are usually (or at last: often) interwiki-linked with biography articles. Then we either have to handle the murder cases as humans (not clean at all) or split the items, so the articles lose interwikilinks that actually are about the same thing (not nice either). The only clean solution in such cases would be the Wikipedias unify their articles (all about the person, or have a murder case and a person article in many languages). What we need to really solve such conflicts (and many similar types of interwiki conflict), is redirects being allowed to be added as sitelinks in Wikidata (so in this example, the redirect en:Shaariibuugiin Altantuyaa could be linked to the item, so at least the other languages could have a proper en interwiki link). --YMS (talk) 12:06, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Update on links and authority control edit gadget

Well, I did have some quite good... errr... good time with JavaScript schoolbook and now can present internationalized (mostly) version of gadget to edit external links and authority control from any wikipedia (except wikidata itself, sadly). To include script on en-wiki add the following to your common.js:

importScript('User:Vlsergey/externalLinksEdit.js')

On other wikis, add the following:

$.getScript( '//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vlsergey/externalLinksEdit.js&action=raw');

There will be a new link labelled "External links" in tool menu for every article linked to Wikidata. For those familiar with JavaScript, you can adjust tabs, fields and tests by rewriting this script on your wiki. Feed free to ask for additional fields, mapped to existing properties on Wikidata. -- Vlsergey (talk) 01:38, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Dutch GLAM project centred on Wikidata and Dutch authors

The Dutch National Library, the "Koninklijke Bibliotheek", the Dutch DBpedia chapter and the Dutch Wikimedia chapter have expressed their interest to provide Wikidata with information on all Dutch authors. This will be a first project where the information of Wikidata and DBpedia.nl will become identical.

The DBpedia people will ensure that the list will include references to every Dutch author that already has a Wikipedia article. It will be enriched with the meta data as provided by the KB and bibliotheek.nl (these two are scheduled to merge in 2015). For those who consider copyright important in this, the Dutch DBpedia chapter explicitly allows for the inclusion of their data back to WMF projects. It is happy to give back. Secondly, they consider that the processes to provide information to the DBpedia database and to Wikidata as separate processes, the latter is explicitly meant for providing Wikidata with data and as such has to provide data with CC-0 information as it is a Wikidata requirement.

The mapping of Wikidata and DBpedia properties will soon be published. The import will happen when this mapping finds approval by everyone involved. As a first project it is really focused. When the kinks are out, other things can be considered including linking books to authors.

Thanks, GerardM (talk) 06:34, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Model matches in Wikidata

I'm watching the 2014 Men's Hockey World Cup and for every match they create a match report. I wonder if we can already model these on Wikidata. Please help out and comment on Germany - Netherlands (Q17143157). Multichill (talk) 20:22, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I think the first step is to create items for pool A and pool B and the properties for games won/lost/drawn etc. to complete those tables. Filceolaire (talk) 10:54, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Create new Wikipedia articles based on Wikidata?

I'm quite new to Wikidata, but finds it really cool! Are there any tools available that could create a standardized Wikipedia article based on the information around for instance a person if that data is available in Wikidata? Something similar to an article saying: [Person name], born in [born date], died in [death date] etc etc. //Mippzon (talk) 21:49, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

You should give the Reasonator a try. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 21:57, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Just wait a few years and create several thousand more properties and the Reasonater will be able to produce advanced and in-depth articles. --Jakob (talk) 22:04, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I've tried Reasonator, really cool! But I was thinking more of generating articles for Wikipedia. Let's say one Wikipedia articles exists in many languages but not on my language. Wikidata has all basic facts. One click and I can create my language article based on that data into Wikipedia. That would be cool. But I guess Reasonator may somehow replace Wikipedia if fully developed? //Mippzon (talk) 22:14, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

The intention is not for Reasonator to replace Wikipedia ever. What is possible is for functionality like Reasonator to replace bot generated Wikipedia articles. Just consider, a bot generated article is nothing but data and a script that generates the text. Such basic information could be created based on Wikidata data. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 07:52, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Property for career prize money?

Do we have a property for an athlete's career earnings or something like it? --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 22:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Also, a way to include a tennis players highest ranking? --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 23:14, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

We don't have an earnings property because the currency datatype is not yet available. --Jakob (talk) 23:36, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

What hinders us from getting this datatype? --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 23:48, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Monolingual text is a higher priority for some reason. I don't see why. There is much more demand for currency number with dimension. --Jakob (talk) 00:01, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

It does not have higher priority. It will just get done earlier ;-) The reason is pretty simple. Currency conversion is extremely difficult across time as values change within one currency and across currencies. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 07:22, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Lydia, there is no need for currency conversion, just currency units support (plus point in time (P585)). The conversion can be done externally, but it would need a lot of work to get it right between different points of time/currencies.--Micru (talk) 09:11, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

for ranking we have P1118 (P1118) and P1119 (P1119) but there is a proposal to combine these (Wikidata:PFD#tennis_doubles_ranking_.28P1119.29) as a general ranking property for all sports and use sport (P641) as a qualifier to indicate which sport applies.

For a players highest ranking use P1118 (P1118) with the highest value they achieved and the start date/end date between which the player had that ranking if you have it. If you have start date/end date info for other / lower rankings you can add those too. OK? Filceolaire (talk) 10:39, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Subclasses of lists ?

Currently, we p31 some pages as "Wikimedia list articles", "Wikimedia disambiguation pages" etc. What about ranking pages like THE–QS World University Rankings, 2004 (Q7670249), and timeline pages like timeline of the New Zealand environment (Q7806386). Perhaps "instance of ranking page" and "instance of timeline page". And make both of them subclasses of "ordered list" page, in turn subclass of "Wikimedia list" ? --Zolo (talk) 20:50, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

@Zolo: Seems like a good idea to me. It will even be useful to make a difference beetween ordered list pages like ranking and timelines where items are sorted and non ordered list which are more like a listing of some instances of a class.  Support. TomT0m ^(talk) 19:58, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

 Support - being specific is a good idea. --Jakob (talk) 20:57, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

So how fits is a list of (P360) in this scheme? --Succu (talk) 21:14, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Does not change anything. As the classes will be subclasses of Wikimedia lists, there instances will be also instances of Wikimedia lists and as such are eligible for is a list of (P360) . TomT0m ^(talk) 21:20, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

There is an issue with lists. Many 'list of' items are better thought of as 'Class' items. In some languages a list is combined with a descriptive paragraph e.g. a list of people with the same surname has a paragraph saying where that surname comes from. Often such articles are not labelled 'List of' so we can have a wikidata item with sitelinks to some articles called 'list of Foo' and others just called 'Foo'. For such a surname article there is often no article anywhere which is just about the surname so that when we want to link to an item using the family name (P734) property the simplest way do this is to link to the 'List of Foo' item but for that to work we rename this item as "Foo" (alias:List of Foo) and state that it is 'subclass of:surname'.

Similarly for 'List of Dukes of Bar' articles we commonly rename the item for these as 'Duke of Bar' ('subclass of:Dukes') so that we can tag people as 'instance of:Duke of Bar' and this links to an item with some useful sitelinks. There is a school of thought that if we rename items in this way then we should not tag the item using the is a list of (P360). I'm not sure this is right but do bear in mind that some of the sitelinks may go to articles which are not called 'list of'. Filceolaire (talk) 18:50, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Some "list of" articles are actually not mere lists and vice versa. But regardless of this issue (that would deserve to be fixed), we have cases were there is clearly a "foo" article and a "list of foos" article. I think this one could have more specific p31 value - not too precise but something like ordered/non-orderel list may help in devising and maintaining queries.

I guess we should have a more general page about those "non-knowledge" items as things seem to be messy at the moment. I have started that at Wikidata:Wikimedia maintenance items (as I could not think of any better name). -Zolo (talk) 07:33, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Items about stale proposals

There is quite a lot of Wikipedia articles about projects of buildings that were never built, like Q3098130. How do we describe them ? The simplest way would be to proceed like for real builings (archtect, location etc.) and add things like "construction date: novalue" to say that it does not exist. But the issue with this solution is that they will show up by default in queries. --Zolo (talk) 07:07, 8 June 2014 (UTC) PS: we may have similar issues for destroyed buildings and buildings, buildings under construction... --Zolo (talk) 07:09, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

"Instance of: planned building"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:11, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

@Zolo: I think we could follow the fictional equivalent of Search example and create a Project of Search property, with the item beeing an instance of a subclass of project. A converse property could be realization of Search for example, to link the project item to the item of the building or whatever kind of project. TomT0m ^(talk) 12:25, 8 June 2014 (UTC)c

Including Wikidata links

Tracked in Bugzilla
Bug 55570

Our Q3907614 is about the template {{Authority control}} on various Wikipedias, Commons, Wikiquote, Wikisource, etc. however, we have no entry on that page for the template on Wikidata. We should add the ability to include Wikidata links, as we do for other sister projects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:08, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I think this has already been reported. Here is list with all Wikidata bugs, try to find it. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 09:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I found it, it's 55570. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 09:40, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Gadget to clone references

Just a poke for any of you creative and willing gadget developers that bugzilla:65697 exists for a nice feature which may be worth exploring as a gadget first before being implemented into Wikibase. So, any takers? John F. Lewis (talk) 19:59, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

@John F. Lewis: By "before being implemented into Wikibase", do you mean that something is planned for Wikibase, but it might be nice to have a similar gadget in the meantime? Or that it would be useful to have it in Wikibase, and an intermediary step would be to set up a gadget, which would then be later integrated? Or that a feature might be added straight to Wikibase, but the need could be obviated by someone setting up a gadget instead? --Yair rand (talk) 08:54, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I talked about this for a bit with John a while ago. The thing is I can totally see how this is useful to have and would make some things easier. I am however unsure how to do this in a nice way. So as a start I'd like to see some experimenting going on with gadgets. When we found something that works and makes sense we can talk about how to bring it into the main software. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

How to tag assistant coaches (sports), new property needed?

Hi,
I wonder how to tag that a (sports) person has worked as an assistant coach for a sports team, either on the item of the sports team or on the person. Currently I see no way to do that? There's head coach (P286) that can be used on a sports team itself, but as you can see it's for head coaches only. I also thought of using occupation->coach on the item of the person, but then we need a way to describe that this claim describes an occupation as an assistant coach for a team. Maybe some qualifiers would be able to describe this...? For a real-world use case, see the infobox at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Brown_%28basketball%29 on the right side, scroll down to the "As coach" section. Maybe some type of comment/note field would also be sufficient as qualifier if something like this exists (but I don't know of any such property). --Bthfan (talk) 17:15, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Heh, maybe I missed the easy solution: Create a new item "assistant coach" and use this one as occupation? Would Wikipedia infoboxen be able to use that info properly in an infobox? Because with that solution to get all teams some person coached for the infobox code would need to: 1) Query WD for "occupation is (item of (subclass of) coach)" and 2) query WD for head coach (P286) is that person (and possibly check for dupes if someone entered the same info in both items!). Looks a bit too complicated and error-prone to me? --Bthfan (talk) 17:42, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Not a bad idea, but you miss the work for relationship. TomT0m ^(talk)

Doh, right...I knew there was a problem with that ;) though also see the suggestion of employer (P108) below, I need to think about this. --Bthfan (talk) 18:34, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I think this requires a new property. Several propositions:

1. a staff member Search property ; with statements such as
   ⟨ Pseudopolis Team ⟩ staff member Search ⟨ Doctor solves everything ⟩
   occupation (P106) ⟨ doctor ⟩
2. A <Pseudopolis Team Staff> class, with a property staff of Search :
   ⟨ Pseudopolis Team Staff ⟩ staff of Search ⟨ Pseudopolis Team ⟩
   and statements like
   ⟨ Pseudopolis Team Staff ⟩ has part(s) (P527) ⟨ Doctor solves everything ⟩
   occupation (P106) ⟨ doctor ⟩
   or
   ⟨ Pseudopolis Team Staff ⟩ has part(s) (P527) ⟨ Doctor solves everything ⟩
   field of activity Search ⟨ physical preparation ⟩
   ... TomT0m ^(talk) 17:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I would be against using the 'instance of' and 'subclass of' properties to list the employees of a certain employer. Just give each person who worked for them an employer (P108) statement. We have a number of properties for senior staff which can be used in statements describing the employer. I think we should limit the statements on the employer item to these few senior staff. We don't want to list every assistant coach on the infobox for a team. In my opinion that information belongs in the infobox for the assistant coach. Filceolaire (talk) 18:31, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

We don't have to put every information we have in an infobox. Actually instance of (P31) and subclass of (P279) statements are totally decorelated of the use in an infobox or not. And the classes can be defined implicitely, we don't have to put all the statements and associate the class with a query like this class is a set of all person who are staff members who work that team. TomT0m ^(talk) 19:16, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

We have employer (P108) which can be used as a qualifier to occupation (P106). If she worked as an assistant coach for three different employers then occupation (P106) can have assistant coach three times each with a different employer and start/end dates. field of this occupation (P425) can also be used as a qualifier to occupation (P106) - useful where we have an item for the special field of study but don't have specific item for the profession related to it e.g. 'Occupation:Doctor', 'Field of this profession:Sports Medicine'. Filceolaire (talk) 18:14, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Looks like a good solution to me, not sure if someone has tagged items like this yet (I'll check) :) then to make it easier for sports persons infoboxen, we should probably create (if they don't already exist!) the items for special coach types as needed (assistant coach, head coach, athletic coach, ...). And then a infobox can just check occupation is (subclass of) coach and add those entries to the infobox. The only minor problem(?) I see with this that we add data twice when someone was/is a head coach for a team (head coach (P286) ). That data could be derived by querying for head coach (P286) on sports teams and checking if that person/item was already head coach there. But I think in such a case data duplication would be ok? I dunno if there are guidelines or similar on data duplication. --Bthfan (talk) 18:46, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I think there might still be a problem : if a club has several team, a staff can be employed by the club, but actually mainly be a member of a team staff. Also strictly speaking, who is the employer ? TomT0m ^(talk) 19:20, 7 June 2014 (UTC) (not to mention amateur team :))

You're right, yeah... employee status can be different from the status of that person to a team. So may need a new property after all. --Bthfan (talk) 20:04, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Use of (P642) as a qualifier to indicate the team. Filceolaire (talk) 13:36, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Looks good. I've summarized the results of the discussion at Category_talk:Sports_task_forces#How_to_tag_that_someone_has_worked_as_an_coach_for_a_sports_team_.28a_proposal.29 (I wonder if there is a better place for such tagging examples/guidelines?). --Bthfan (talk) 22:13, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

BTW: I looked a bit around on Wikidata what others did by looking for entries with qualifier "start date" for occupation->coach (or subclasses thereof), I only found entries using member of sports team (P54) to specify the team, which in some way relates to my other comment/question on this: Property P54 used for players only? (there I agreed with this as otherwise coach data would be "merged" into the player data property). See Zlatan Bajramović (Q207120)    or Werner Dreßel (Q100517)    for examples how those items use that property (note usage slightly differs between those examples) --Bthfan (talk) 19:59, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

We do have position played on team / speciality (P413) which could be useful too. Filceolaire (talk) 06:57, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Update needed for Wikidata:Introduction

Particularly the Wikidata:Introduction#Timeline_of_deployment_on_Wikidata: "The third phase (lists) will allow the automatic updating and translation of list articles. Planned deployment of this phase on Wikidata is in late 2013." seems like it can use an update. Also, w:Wikidata has a citation needed for the entire Phase 3, somebody knowledgeable about this could spend a few useful minutes expanding/referencing that section there. Wikipedia article, finally, seems to provide a bit more info on Phase 2 deployment which is missing from the Wikidate own entry at Wikidata:Introduction... --Piotrus (talk) 09:56, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikiquote data access is coming

Hey folks :)

As previously announced Wikiquote will get access to the data in Wikidata in 2 days. Coordination is happening at Wikidata:Wikiquote. Thanks for helping make this go smoothly. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 17:36, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

For reference: Wikidata:Development plan -Tobias1984 (talk) 20:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikisources encyclopedias links

I'm going to describe my vision how wikisource articles from encyclopedias shoulb be linked to wikipedia articles. Feed free to comment and object until I created a bot to import data from ru-wiki to wikidata. Conside single article in ru-wiki Moscow (Q649), which is described by 2 articles from Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (Q602358) [5] and Jewish Encyclopedia of Brockhaus and Efron (Q4173137) [6].

• The item Moscow (Q649) is going to have 2 new claims:
  • described by source (P1343) → Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (Q602358)
    • With qualificator: stated in (P248) pointing to new item ESBE/Moscow (Q17152632)
  • described by source (P1343) → Jewish Encyclopedia of Brockhaus and Efron (Q4173137)
    • With qualificator: stated in (P248) pointing to new item EEBE/Moscow (Q17152634)

• The new item ESBE/Moscow (Q17152632) has 2 properties
  • part of (P361) → Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (Q602358)
  • main subject (P921) → Moscow (Q649)

• The new item EEBE/Moscow (Q17152634) has 2 properties
  • part of (P361) → Jewish Encyclopedia of Brockhaus and Efron (Q4173137)
  • main subject (P921) → Moscow (Q649)

The questions are...

1. What additional properties ESBE/Moscow (Q17152632) and EEBE/Moscow (Q17152634) should have? like instance of (P31)?
2. Do I need to try and automaticall create labels for ESBE/Moscow (Q17152632) and EEBE/Moscow (Q17152634) basing on labels of Moscow (Q649)? (or leave just Russian (Q7737) «ЭСБЕ / Москва»?)

-- Vlsergey (talk) 20:11, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

How close is the Wikidata to the semantic wiki capability?

I am curious how to best obtain the answer to the question such as, for example, "How many people were born in the year XXXX by gender" or "by country" or both. While Wikipedia has categories for "births by year", there's no category for "births by gender by year" or such. It is my understanding that the theoretized semantic wiki could answer such a question, and that Wikidata has aspirations to be (at some point) such a wiki. Correct me if I am wrong, and I'd also appreciate information how one could go about obtaining answers to such questions at this time. (If there are any replies here, I'd appreciate an echo/ping). --Piotrus (talk) 10:10, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

It is planned to allow queries through dedicated query pages, but my understanding is that it will be limited to relatively simple things (like which pages have property X set to Y). More complex things can be done through external tools, most notably "autolist" and its derivatives. Female US-citizens born in the summer of 1914 can be found this way.

This sort of issues seem to be primarily discussed through the mailing list [7]-Zolo (talk) 12:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I hope there will be a more user-friendly way of writing queries than between[569,1914-06-21,1914-09-21] and claim[27:30] and claim[21:6581072] and claim[31:5]. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:54, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

@Zolo, Pigsonthewing: I gather from your replies that this functionality while planned is not live yet. If so, would you recommend that I look at w:dbpedia? Do you think it may have this functionality? I looked at it but their help pages are pretty sparse and I can't even figure out where to ask questions about how to use it :( --Piotrus (talk) 03:21, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

@Piotrus:. It is not live yet, and when it will be, it will apparently be much less powerful than Autolist. I don't know for DBPedia, if there is something, I guess it is fairly techie (like a Sparql endpoint). I am not sure about what exactly you are looking for, but really I think the best way to get answers to questions like ""How many people were born in the year XXXX by gender" is through autolist. It requires some knowledge of Wikidata properties, but it is not actually that difficult to use. And if you are not technically shy, you can embed it in yet more powerful scripts using toolscript). --Zolo (talk) 07:54, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Won't be any SPARQL endpoint anytime soon, a SPARQL endpoint is an arbitrary query server, which will not be on the roadmap anytime soon :) TomT0m ^(talk)

I meant for DPpedia, and apparently, there is one [8] :]. --Zolo (talk) 11:46, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, the dev team is implementing a simple query engine ATM, which is something really simple, such as computing the inverse property of a property. Later a more complex query engine is planned which will implement the Semantic Mediawiki query language if I understood well. But only some (community defined) queries results will be accessible at first, it won't be possible to do any one time query. TomT0m ^(talk) 10:28, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Help:Classification started

I finally started the help page, comments/contribs/additions welcome.

The goals is to explain the bases, and give a toolset of template, external tools and so on to gives clues on what classification is and how to deal with classes, instances and so on. TomT0m ^(talk) 17:41, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

[9] --Rippitippi (talk) 18:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Rippitippi, the scope is a little different, and classification properties are tricky sometimes and deserves examples and explanations, so I think it's important to have another page. Don't you think ? TomT0m ^(talk) 16:23, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

How to tie dates to marriages?

What is the prescribed way to annotate a marriage with the appropriate dates? I'm playing the Birth/Death Date Game and seeing a load of articles coming up which show that the subject "was married to «spouse» from «date» to «date»" but I haven't managed to find where it is described how to attach dates to a marriage, not to mention how to specify multiple spouses… TIA HAND —Phil Boswell (talk) 17:07, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

• Use property spouse (P26) to add a link to an item about the persons spouse.
• Click "Add" to add other spouses.
• Click "Edit". This will reveal an option to "Add qualifier". Click that. Enter the qualifier property "Start date" and with the date as it's value. If you only know the year then just enter that.
• Click "Add qualifier" again to add 'end date'. If the end date is unknown but you are sure the marriage has ended then click on the three little bars next to the box for the date value and select "unknown". If they are still married you can select "no value" from this menu - i.e. there is no end date.

hope this helps. Filceolaire (talk) 18:42, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikiquote now has Phase 2

Hello everybody, just a note to the community that Phase 2 has been enabled for Wikiquote now :) John F. Lewis (talk) 18:50, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

fictional character group

which property should be used to define the members of a TV series or cartoon or comics etc? example Jack Shephard (Q51293)-->Lost (Q23567) --Rippitippi (talk) 19:01, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I'd propose to use from narrative universe (P1080). --Infovarius (talk) 09:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes but the propriety must be changed and used in instance of (P31)fictional character (Q95074)-> sex or gender (P21)male (Q6581097)->from narrative universe (P1080)Lost (Q23567) --Rippitippi (talk) 17:07, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Properties for sports leagues and matches

In preparation for the world cup I have proposed some properties which I think we need to record the results. Filceolaire (talk) 20:19, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

User:Multichill do you think these are enough properties to record the Mens World Hockey results? Can you think of any more properties we need? Filceolaire (talk) 20:25, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Double value for one property. Bug?

Please, take a look at Q12495 property "number of floors" references: why are there two URLs for the single URL property? --Viscontino (talk) 15:59, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

These are actually two reference URL source claims, the Wikidata web interface groups these together. --Bthfan (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata does actually allow you to add multiple references for a statement, as here. We also allow you to add multiple values for a property so a person can have multiple occupations or a town can have multiple values for population - tagged with the 'point in time' when each was true. We can even have multiple values for floors above ground (P1101)! If, for instance, a building was described by multiple sources and the descriptions differed or if different language wikipedias had different values and we haven't yet tracked down a source to confirm which was the true value or if people disagreed as to what is a 'floor' - do we include double height floors and mezzanines and services floors? Filceolaire (talk) 18:54, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Actually, the use of two url in one reference is incorrect. I have corrected it. There should be two references to that claim, one from emporis.com and another one from skyscrapercenter.com. —Wylve (talk) 06:12, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Should I split this?

The item scientific model (Q193946) was created based off the English Wikipedia article for Scientific Modelling. On, at least the English Wikipedia, Scientific model redirects to Scientific modelling. These are really two separate concepts though. Should I make a new item for Scientific model as distinct from Scientific modelling? And how would I redo the Interwiki links so that all the pages still link to each other if I did so. Some languages have their articles on Scientific models and other on Scientific modelling and they should probably continue to be interwiki linked. Zellfaze (talk) 11:56, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I would split it (especially as "scientic model" could be used as superclass for specific scientic models), but as you said I see no easy way to keep all the interwiki links. You could only add manual interwiki links to all articles (quite a lot of work and defeats the purpose of Wikidata). --Bthfan (talk) 21:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Agree with Bthfan make me remind we still need a property to relate a process and its results, something like

⟨ scientific model ⟩ result of process Search ⟨ scientific modelling ⟩

. TomT0m ^(talk) 21:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

P' template modif

Hi all, just to signal I just added functionalities to {{P'}} related to the new Wikidata property browser miga in the wmftools website. This impacts {{C}} as well, for example {{C|Q5|part of|Q1}} will give :

⟨ human (Q5)    ⟩ part of (P361) ⟨ Universe (Q1)    ⟩

{{C|Q5|member of|Q1}} will give (for properties not known in Module:Properties :

⟨ human (Q5)    ⟩ member of (P463) ⟨ Universe (Q1)    ⟩

Unfortunately the tool don't work yet in all browsers. but this will change fast, hopefully. TomT0m ^(talk) 20:09, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Mozilla has stated that Firefox will never support Web SQL. Can't find a proper reference at the moment (lazy) but there is a Stack Exchange question on it. [10] Zellfaze (talk) 00:30, 13 June 2014 (UTC) See also [11] Zellfaze (talk) 00:41, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Bug?

When I added a link to an item, I entered the language code (sco) and then the article (Kristen Bell) and when I clicked save it was "loading" with "sco" under the language code (instead of the usual "Scots (sco)") and under the article it was blank. It never saved it, nor did I get an error message. ? --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 00:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

If we are talking about Q178882, it shows up ok for me.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Upon trying to add a link for Steffi Graf, it does it again. I had to add it through the "Add links" link on scowiki. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 13:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I was just able to remove your link and to re-add it via the usual Wikidata interface. I am on Windows 7 FF2*.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:17, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, IDK. I'm using Windows 7 and Google Chrome. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 16:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I've been having the same issue trying to add some simple.wikipedia articles to Q4385459 and Q165256. I'm using Chrome and Windows 8. Had to add them through the "add link" option on simple.wikipedia. Del_♉sion23 (talk) 21:05, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, at least it's not just me. I just tried adding a link in Firefox and it's the same. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 21:38, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Because the wikidata page has to interact with the server to fill in each box there can be problems editing wikidata if your connection is slow. The main symptom is 'loading' message that never actually loads. Sometimes reloading the page and trying again works. It used to be much worse. Filceolaire (talk) 15:29, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Master infobox template (phase 2)

I'm wondering if this has been done yet - a master infobox template that will automatically generate an infobox for any Wikipedia article using information on its wikidata item. If it exists it'll be massively helpful to make articles on smaller Wikipedias look pretty :) Deryck Chan (talk) 05:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Look at Module:Infobox (Q13107716). 141.6.11.20 11:31, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Occitan used to have oc:Modèl:Infobox, but it has been blanked. Maybe others still use something similar (Template:Infobox (Q5626735)). I personally worked on a general infobox at test2:Module:Wikidata_infobox, and did some test at nds-nl. I am no longer working on it, but feel free to reuse. HenkvD (talk) 11:27, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

RFC: Refining the property "part of"

I have started a RFC to refine the meanings "part of". Comments needed!--Micru (talk) 11:57, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Help needed

Salut,

I can't add da:Durumrulle es:Dürüm fr:Dürüm it:Dürüm hu:Dürüm nl:Dürüm to dürüm (Q16834113): my changes are not saved. (These interwikis are on en:Dürüm). I removed the wrong interwikis, cf. Talk:Q987291 but can't add the good ones :-( Thanks in advance. Alvaro (talk) 23:53, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I have added without problem. --ValterVB (talk) 08:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Molte grazie ValterVB (Perhaps a (temporary) problem with my aging opera browser on my linux box?) Alvaro (talk) 11:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

For the last 12 hours or so I have been unable to add any new links. When entering a language name or code, it is simply not recognised.--Redaktor (talk) 12:12, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I am having the same problem. Please add ta:கிழக்கு நடுநிலம் to Eastern Mediterranean (Q3301962).--Kanags (talk) 13:01, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

 Done. --Stryn (talk) 13:23, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

These problems are reported also on fi-wiki. Literally: "Since yesterday I haven't been able to add links to Wikidata". Problem occurred with every browser. --Stryn (talk) 13:23, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I managed eventually using Chrome, but only from the wikidata object page. I cannot add an item using the dialogue box reached from Wikipedia. And using Safari, nothing works. --Redaktor (talk) 14:04, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

It is likely an issue with the Monobook skin. We are working on a fix. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 14:47, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Really? I use the Vector skin and have had the problem at least since this morning. --Silvonen (talk) 15:12, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I have the same problem (Google Chrome 35 under Windows 8 Vector skin). I can't add en:Jan-Bart de Vreede or ar:جان بارت دي فريدي to Q17167665 using either the interface at Wikipedia or Wikidata. --Meno25 (talk) 15:45, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Meno25, the enwiki link about Jan-Bart de Vreede was already associated with Q14943340, so I've added the arwiki link there and requested a merger for the item you created. Green Giant (talk) 17:53, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for merging the items. --Meno25 (talk) 21:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I notice that adding some links aren't saved. By refreshing the page, it often (not always) works again and I can add the new article successful. (Multiple users from nl-wiki indicated they have this problem.) Romaine (talk) 16:31, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Bug seems to be reported at bugzilla:66554.

Ok we just fixed another issue. Can you please check if this also fixed this one for you or if it still persists? You might need to empty your cache. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 17:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I emptied my cache multiple times, but problem still exists. Romaine (talk) 17:11, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Problem persists. Emptying the cache doesn't help. --Meno25 (talk) 17:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Same here, W7 and Chrome, already cleared the cache. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 17:31, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Ok thanks. We'll look into it more then. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 18:34, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I also had this problem yesterday. It does not work to cut-and-paste the article name and click save. It works when deleting the last charachter and select the right value from the suggestion-list. /ℇsquilo 08:46, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks ℇsquilo for the hint.--Kanags (talk) 11:41, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

 Like--Shrikarsan (talk) 15:33, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I've just deployed a JavaScript fix to Wikidata that hopefully fixes this bug. It would be great if you could check whether this is still an issue for you (please remember to clear your cache). Cheers, Hoo man (talk) 10:45, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

See also related bug: Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#Drop-down_properties. --Infovarius (talk) 14:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

New Wikipedia template for articles about properties

I have created en:Template:Wikidata property (example on en:ORCID), for Wikipedia articles about subjects for which we have a property. Please help to improve and apply it (can anyone generate a list of relevant articles?), and to migrate it to other-language Wikipedias. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:56, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

jail time, corruption

Many politicians are found to be corrupt by a court of law and end up in prison. How do we indicate that a human went to prison and how do we indicate why ? Thanks, GerardM (talk) 07:13, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

significant event (P793): imprisonment (Q841236). Snipre (talk) 11:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

and how do we indicate why ?-(t) Josve05a (c) 13:59, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

statement is subject of (P805) ? Snipre (talk) 14:29, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Recording the World cup

See 2014 FIFA World Cup Group A (Q10260330) where I have started to record details of the world cup.

I have proposed a bunch more properties which we need to record the group stages and the matches - see Wikidata:Property_proposal/Event#Sports_Leagues. There have been a few comments on these but I would be grateful for anyone else who could review these proposals so that we can get a quick decision on them. Filceolaire (talk) 09:23, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

@Filceolaire: Supported them all. BTW, make sure "±1" doesn't sneak its way into 2014 FIFA World Cup Group A (Q10260330). For example, under Croatia national football team's "number of points/goals scored", it displays 0±1. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 19:51, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Doh! Filceolaire (talk) 22:32, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Help pages review & documentation overview

Hey everyone,

As part of my internship and work for improving outreach efforts for Wikidata, I've been reviewing some of our existing Help pages and documentation in terms of what we're getting right and what we could be doing better (especially when it comes to supporting new contributors). I just posted a summary of some areas for improvement as well as possible next steps at Wikidata:Documentation_Overhaul/Summary_and_Feedback.

I would love to hear your feedback on these steps, as well as any other comments on what you feel are the strengths and weaknesses of our documentation. Please leave any suggestions or other ideas for improving documentation on that page. cheers Thepwnco (talk) 22:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata participation in Wiki Loves Pride

Hi all, I recently found out about Wiki Loves Pride (happening on and around Saturday, June 21, 2014). It's intended for all Wikimedia Projects and I think it would be great to have Wikidata involved in some way. I've since been in contact with Wikimedia LGBT through their listserv and there seems to be interest as well as some curiosity as to how Wikidata could support LGBT-related projects. One idea I had was putting together a Wikidata edit-a-thon resource with suggestions for LGBT-related items to improve, possibly with the intention of getting them to Showcase Item status. Using the Autolist tool, it would be possible to construct queries and generate a few different lists of items with P91 (sexual orientation), as well as others like P102 (member of political party), P21 (sex or gender), P31 (instance of), P106 (profession)...to suggest LGBT politicians, fictional characters, artists, etc as items.

This is just one thought and I'm definitely open to other suggestions and ideas as to how Wikidata could support/encourage Wiki Loves Pride participation. Please get in touch (either here or on my talk page) with suggestions or if you want to help out.

cheers, Thepwnco (talk) 23:25, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Relegion, LGBT, politics... i wish every project to be out of those topics and stay neutral as much as possible. Especially Wikidata. Well, no one can be harm by several lists, but in that case we need to display all variants. I.e. if one going to create "politics who are lesbian" list, he should also create the list "politics who are straight". So it will be on other project conscience to select one data and toss away other to support any opinion they would like. -- Vlsergey (talk) 00:07, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

What we need is involvement. When people spend time making sure that "their" items are really complete, informative than more power to them. As it is people volunteer and spend their time on the subjects they care for. Their is no reason why they need to be even handed and there is no way in which we can demand this.

When people are interested in Islam, LBGT, India, politics, literature, it is what they care about. They may care and it may show. GerardM (talk) 06:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

@GerardM: "What we need is involvement" No, we don't. I mean, we don't need such involvement, when people come to wikidata site and start filling items with properties, values, sorting values, etc. What we need is a set of good instruments to make life of people on languages projects simpler. We need to introduce and change the tools on every wikiproject in that way that every editor will start to use wikidata without even knowing about it. What is shall not be, it shall not be "hey guys, come here and fill another stupid list of properties, but try to guess which properties you need first". We also need involvement meaning we need good community to change and update our model, i.e. properties, classes, rules; but this community must be as neutral as possible. -- Vlsergey (talk) 09:52, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

There are two levels; when people are adding statements and enrich a specific field of interest, it means that our total quality goes up. It does not mean that Wikidata becomes more useful. It takes a different approach and that level is NOT personal. With 50% of our items having none or one statement this is very much an academic issue.. It has no practical relevance we are deficient in all fields.

You cannot tell me that I cannot concentrate on Indian politicians or deaths of 2014 or anything. Don't. GerardM (talk) 10:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

May be my English isn't good enough to explain my point. My point is, it just doesn't make sense to invite people to fill Wikidata at all for any kind of topic just because it may be done and because "quality goes up". It shall not be the Wikidata community neither Wikidata developers team primary goal to actually manually fill per-item data. The Wikidata project community shall organize the process, make an example, and resolve conflicts. But example not like current "Wikidata:Showcase items", that actually shows nothing, but provide examples of how Wikidata project can be used to simplify sharing knowledge across projects. I'm not telling you that you can't fill properties on Indian politicians or deaths of 2014, i'm just wishing that you can do it without knowedge what wikidata is all about, without even visiting this site, and that you don't need to invite anyone on Wikidata website to participate in this activity. -- Vlsergey (talk) 10:43, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Now, if I may intervene and respond. The Wikidata will prioritise things and work on data as necessary, but that is the issue. We as a community focus on specific areas and so many items live as basic 'this is the name in English. Link to Wikipedia' even though if that particular item has the world covering it. The narrow attitude of 'they are not editors of the project, so they should not edit' is quite a damaging opinion. The original proposal is a way to improve the amount of data in Wikidata, the quality overall. Anyone blatantly rejecting an issue which improves Wikidata obviously does not understand the idea of Wikidata. Wikidata is supposed to improve the availability of knowledge for the world. As the focus on the WMF states. Wikidata's goal is not 'improve items which seem important', if it was, Wikidata would not be here and if it was, nothing like this. So can we please focus on the idea and improving the data? John F. Lewis (talk) 18:55, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Good idea by the way. I have no suggestions but hey, worth a try :p John F. Lewis (talk) 18:55, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Might also be worth pulling a list of LGBT folks that are categorised as such on Wikipedia, but don't have that designation as their sexual orientation on Wikidata. I'm sure there are lots of them. Zellfaze (talk) 11:51, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

If there is a precedent on Wikidata to note other kinds of categorizations then I would be interested in talking through the development of a property for sexual orientation based off the precedent for how other properties work. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:48, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi all, thanks for your comments. Just an update to this - User:Ladsgroup has created a new LGBT task force at Wikidata:LGBT_task_force as well as a report of people who have been identified as LGBT in English Wikipedia, but not yet in Wikidata. Both are also featured on the Wiki Loves Pride results page here. Please join the task force if interested. Cheers. Thepwnco (talk) 16:02, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry, Zellfaze: I generated this list several days ago User:Ladsgroup/Happy Pride Month Amir (talk) 16:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

@Ladsgroup: Should we remove items from the list after they are resolved or otherwise mark them somehow? Or will you pull a new list periodically? Zellfaze (talk) 17:18, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I can update it every two weeks if it's fine for you Amir (talk) 17:25, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Can't remove a wikilink?

The link to Polish Wikipedia here Q3491347 is something else than the 2 other links. I can't seem to be able to remove that link. No error message is shown but the content just doesn't change... What's up? Palosirkka (talk) 16:59, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Worked fine for me, please give us more details if the problem persists for you - Hoo man (talk) 17:02, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

First drafts of new user interface design

Hey folks :)

I just uploaded the first drafts for the new user interface design: Wikidata:UI redesign input. It's not finished yet but I wanted to hear what you're thinking about the direction we're going. Please leave any feedback you have on that page so we can keep it all in one place.

Cheers --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 20:01, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Wow how much I like it compared to the current layout. --Stryn (talk) 09:34, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Can't add link?

You know when you add a link and it has a blue section where you're adding a link? Well, when I tried to add a link, it displayed the blue section... without fields to add a code or a link! Anybody else experiencing this? --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 18:32, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I can reproduce it. We're looking into it right now. It seems it comes from the Wikimedia-wide upgrade to a new jquery version. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 19:00, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Should be fixed again now. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 20:05, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Looks good. Thank you! --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 21:08, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Add "Add new statement" to MediaWiki:Sidebar

Hi! MediaWiki:Sidebar allows wiki localization to site needs. Please add a "Add new statement" link to MediaWiki:Sidebar at the  (Main) namespace. ^{Only admins can change it.} This will safe a lot of time. BTW: Who disabled the functionality some minutes before? gangLeri לערי ריינהארט (talk) 22:01, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

@Lydia_Pintscher_(WMDE) : The bug is back again. No "Add" (new statement) button is available. לערי ריינהארט (talk) 01:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

As you can see at https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar&action=history nothing changed in the sidebar for quite some time. I am not aware of a "add new statement" link ever having been there. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 07:27, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HELP: Site link eswiki:Manuel Filiberto de Saboya is already used by item Q76508 and cannot be added to Q947511.

You probably want to add Manuel Filiberto de Saboya to Q947511 --Viscontino (talk) 16:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

 Done --Viscontino (talk) 16:07, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Wrong merge warning

subtribe (Q3965313) shows the warning that it might have been merged with subtribe (Q6307846). Looking into the version history, it was merged in 2013, but then was recycled for a new topic - apparently a bad idea. How best to get rid of the warning? A selective deletion of the first two revisions? Ahoerstemeier (talk) 07:30, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

That would be an option. Or create a new item and merge the items into the new one. Kind regards, Lymantria (talk) 08:49, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

@Infovarius: Empty items should not be reused. See Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive/2014/02#Reusing empty items.--GZWDer (talk) 05:17, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Properties

Are there properties for:

• turned professional (i.e., for golf/tennis players)
• tournaments/events won

?--AmaryllisGardener ^talk 23:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Delete as own usergroup

So I've noticed that the number of deletion requests is very high (300+ usually) and the number of admins is not so very high (less than 100). I wonder if it might be a good idea to create a usergroup who is just allowed to delete things. I only expect the number of deletion requests to go up as we both develop norms about what is acceptable to put on Wikidata and as more items are merged together. Zellfaze (talk) 13:44, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I believe it is easy enough to obtain full adminship on this site. The standards are pretty low. Regards, Vogone (talk) 14:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Zellfaze: Keep in mind that we don't usually have so many deletion requests, it's just because of Magnus' merge game. We can usually keep RfD under control. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 14:10, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

@AmaryllisGardener: This makes me question whether the number of RfDs is entirely because of Magnus' game. I'll trust you on that you can usually keep the RfD under control though since I have absolutely no experience with it. Zellfaze (talk) 16:01, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

@Zellfaze: Backlogs were not very common before the merge game started. And you can see at RfD that many of the requests say "via The Game" or something similar to that. BTW, the merge game's completion percentage is currently 14.51%. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 16:33, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Adminship practically = deleter on this wiki. Very few blocks and protections are done compared to the number of deletions. --Jakob (talk) 14:27, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

@Zellfaze, AmaryllisGardener, Jakec, Vogone: I have suggested this one year ago. see Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2013/05#Suggestion: Eliminator.--GZWDer (talk) 14:53, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

the problem is that we are ~90 admin but only 5-10 often attend rdf --Rippitippi (talk) 19:07, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

This is wrong. According to Special:Log/delete there were even 20+ different admins active on RFD from 12:00 UTC until now. Vogone (talk) 21:01, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

According to Special:Log/delete there were 15 different admins active on RFD fom 00:00 8 to 00:00 9 and two of these have ~2 edits and only 2 or 3 on patrolling--Rippitippi (talk) 22:03, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

So even in your example there were more than "5-10" :-P That the number of admins active on WD:RFD is not the same every day is normal I believe but for a wiki with such a small community like Wikidata has, having 17% or more admins who attend that page even daily is completely fine, in my opinion. Vogone (talk) 14:59, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Not particularly crazy about this, because the adminship standards are so low. --Rschen7754 23:34, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Overhaul of whole system?

@Legoktm: On IRC, you have previously suggested that we overhaul the way we deal with duplicate items. You said something like, "we don't have to use the MediaWiki delete function". Maybe it's time we implemented that?--Jasper Deng (talk) 21:47, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

In normal times we have no problems with rfd, must only wait two or three months to finish the game and all the admins must have attenction in rfd page --Rippitippi (talk) 22:12, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

@Jasper Deng: As far as I know, the WMDE team is currently working on a redirect functionality so that old, empty items would simply redirect to the right one. Vogone (talk) 13:57, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Jep correct. Daniel has been working on it for the past 3 weeks. There are a lot of ugly corner cases popping up but I hope we can finish it over the next week or two and then roll it out. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 21:23, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Acathius of Melitene vs. Lionel Messi?

Hi all, I'm looking over the documentation on item descriptions at Help:Description and am a bit confused about the information included under the section "Place the location at the end". All is well until I get to the example for Acathius of Melitene...which has the description "bishop and saint from Armenia" and not "Armenian bishop." To me this seems to contradict the guidelines for people discussed just a bit further up the page under "Common formulas" (and illustrated again under Capitalization). For example, how come Lionel Messi is an "Argentinian footballer" rather than a "footballer from Argentina"? Is this just an inconsistency or am I missing a subtle distinction here? -Thepwnco (talk) 23:39, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I proposed that because the "Armenian Bishop" formula works for Armenians but does not work well for bishops from (for instance) the USA. That way we avoid having 'American bishops' which might be from the USA or might be from somewhere else in the Americas. I know there are only a few countries with this problem but the 'bishop from Armenia' formula works for all countries even if it is a bit stilted. Filceolaire (talk) 13:08, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

@Filceolaire: thanks for clarifying. I agree with this logic so guess I am more wondering if the guidelines for people under common formulas should therefore be updated so that the examples are "singer, songwriter, and actress from the USA" and "chancellor of Germany" rather than "American singer, songwriter, and actress" or "German chancellor"?

forgot to sign the above...-Thepwnco (talk) 21:10, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Park an der Ilm

I tried to add the English "Park an der Ilm", to German and Italian without success. (Others worked.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:57, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. --Succu (talk) 15:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Editing difficulties

It may be me being stupid but over the last few days I've become unable to edit Wikidata items. I click on "edit" next to a statement but the page simply resets. I can't edit labels/descriptions the same way anymore either. Instead I am redirected to "Special:SetLabel". Am I missing a Java update or something or have I ticked a preference box I'm not aware of? I use Chrome and Windows 8, but don't have this issue on Mozilla. I would prefer Chrome though due to its automatic translation of pages. Any ideas? Cheers. Del_♉sion23 (talk) 15:24, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Try to clear your browser cache and make sure you have JavaScript enabled in Chrome. - Hoo man (talk) 22:22, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

That appears to have done the trick. Cheers Hoo man! Del_♉sion23 (talk) 23:18, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Media Viewer is now live on this wiki

Media Viewer lets you see images in larger size

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How to tag items that are about sports season entries (for example 2010 NFL season)

Hi,
I wonder how to tag items that are about individual sports seasons. I wonder especially how to tag that those belong to a certain league. As item examples see 2010 NFL season (Q622675)    or 2012–13 NBA season (Q113619)    (there are many more of these). I would use part of (P361) [item of the league] (so as value then use for example NFL or NBA item here). Someone agrees or disagrees with this? Using instance of (P31) does not seem possible as there are no generic items for NFL or NBA season. Or should we consider creating a generic NBA season item which is (part of) NBA and then make those season articles instance of NBA season? --Bthfan (talk) 10:08, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Took a look again and found 2012 NFL season (Q1395918)   . This one uses part of the series (P179) = National Football League regular season (Q1661524)    to specify that connection to the NFL. Looks like another possible solution to me (except Q1661524 is not linked to the NFL main item in any way). --Bthfan (talk) 10:15, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

See my section on Wikidata:Project_chat#Properties_for_sports_leagues_and_matches above and the list of proposed properties at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Event#Sports_Leagues. The NBA season league table in the item User:Bthfan linked to above seems to have extra columns that I don't quite understand so you may need to propose some more properties to record those.

Because the seasons are in a definite sequence I think part of the series (P179) may be more appropriate than instance of (P31) or part of (P361). Use follows (P155) and followed by (P156) as well, plus instance of (P31):sports season of a sports club (Q1539532).

To make this work we do need to create a separate item for each season and/or league table - so the world cup needs separate items for each of the four 'groups' as well as an item for each of the matches in the final stage. part of (P361):[world cup 2014] is more appropriate in this case as the leagues are not in sequence. Filceolaire (talk) 20:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

BTW: According to the description page of part of the series (P179) this one should only(?) be used for domain=creative work. So not really sure if series is the correct tagging for sports seasons (I checked with the API, so far P179 is not used very often for sports seasons yet). And if we really want to nit-pick on the NFL tagging, it's not correct anyway: It says P179=National Football League regular season (Q1661524), but the English Wikipedia article are about the regular season plus the post-season (the lemma in the English wikipedia article is basically not correct here). To explain this for people not familiar with this: The playoffs in sports (where the champion of that season is determined) are usually part of the so-called post-season (or better said: Playoffs are also known as post-season). But then there also extra items/wikipedia pages for some languages on the playoffs, e.g. 2012–13 NFL playoffs (Q4628392). I think this one should then be tagged as part of 2012 NFL season (Q1395918). --Bthfan (talk) 07:20, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

I've copied the above discussion to Category_talk:Sports_task_forces so it does not get lost. --Bthfan (talk) 08:08, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Automated descriptions

Automated descriptions is the single most important usability enhancement for me. It makes a HUGE difference in adding the right statements and saves an inordinate amount of time. I was without if for most of the week. Thanks to Magnus, it works for me again.

Arguably this might make a big difference to all people adding statements in Wikidata and I urge us to adopt this functionality. You can either add one line to your common.js or it can be added to the Wikidata software..

mw.loader.load('https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Wdsearch-autodesc.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');

Thanks, 14:27, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

You're lucky, it's still not working for me... :( — Ayack (talk) 15:22, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Before using it, please say - is it working for all languages? --Infovarius (talk) 15:23, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Autocompletion doesn't work any more

Hi there, I've got a problem with autocompletion on Monobook skin. Since some days, it seems it doesn't work anymore. I either insert the correct name of the property/item, or I cannot complete the task. It doesn't work even by inserting the number of the item. Anybody got an answer for that, please? It's getting frustrating. :( I will NOT accept "switch to Vector" as an answer. :P --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 09:23, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

What I found is that when you add a Q**** with a space in front, it no longer works. Removing this space will often bring you the thing you HAVE to select for it to work. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 18:04, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't insert any space in front of the Q***. The problem is I don't have any suggestion at all any more, for both properties and items, if I insert the text or the Q*** thing. It just doesn't work. --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 09:48, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

What I found was that when I set my preferred language to "British English", I would only get auto-complete for properties which have descriptions actually in British English. What have you set up as your preferred language? Would it be possible to arrange a "fall-back" so that if something doesn't have a description in a user's preferred language, another can be chosen instead of using the naked Property ID? —Phil Boswell (talk) 10:22, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

• I have it too for a week. The problem was reported some time ago by me here. --Infovarius (talk) 15:22, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

@Phil Boswell: I have English as preferred language. :(

@Infovarius: Thanks, I've added my line too. --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 11:45, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Virtual table of contents

I was thinking that we could have something similar to a table of contents without too much effort and without touching the internal structure. Basically we would need:

• to agree on some sections for common instances (in the case of people, that could be: physical description, relatives, education)
• to create a sorting list of properties according to those sections (for instance, relatives="father, mother, sibling", etc)
• a bot to sort the statements according to the agreed order
• a gadget that according to the sorted list of properties, would create a table of contents with links to the first occurring property of each virtual section (for instance, the section "relatives" would link to the statement "sibling" if there are no statements for "mother" nor "father").
• In the future, maybe it could even insert a title for each section

Is it doable? Would it take too many resources? Is it worth the effort? Would someone help with to code some experiment for "instance of:person"?--Micru (talk) 19:26, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Classifying properties will be straightforward to do when we have the "Statements about properties" done and enabled. I believe this is in progress at the moment. Then we can create the "Subproperty of" relation and start creating a hierarchy of properties which can be used to drive this functionality. As the devs are already working on this I'm (personally) not very interested in working on a temporary hack for this in the meantime. I would rather wait and add this feature later. Your mileage may vary. Filceolaire (talk) 11:11, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

How are fields populated?

I wonder why many entries I reviewed usually have make/female sex or gender field (sex or gender (P21)), but no ethnic group (ethnic group (P172)) / country of citizenship (country of citizenship (P27))? If I wanted to add Poles to Mieszko I (Q53435) (uncontroversial, first king of Poland was clearly a Pole, too) - how can I do it? On a related note, is it possible to see which biographies are missing the gender field? PS. I'd appreciate it if any replies would echo me. Thank you, --Piotrus (talk) 11:09, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

@Piotrus: - I think even if it is uncontroversial for somebody who lived a long time ago, ethnic group should always have a source. -Tobias1984 (talk) 11:48, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

@Piotrus: I personally can think of multiple ways a gender claim was added: For example the German Wikipedia has gender categories (male/female/intersexual/unknown) for articles about humans, someone might have used those categories to add claims regarding their gender (dunno if those were actually used, some(?) bots add a "imported from" reference when some info was imported from a Wikipedia instance). Another source could be https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/, there people "play" some kind of game to add gender (or other more or less simple claims) to wikidata items based on text of corresponding Wikipedia articles, that belong to the item in question. I'm sure there are other sources as well (I think there are so-called international authority file which store information about relevant(?) humans; maybe some import has been done from those authority files). About country of citizenship: I'm rather carefully with that property as for example Mieszko I (Q53435) was born when Poland did not exist yet as a state (as far as I see this, I only did some quick research). Not sure if the concept "country of citizenship" already existed back then already. Or maybe he was a Pole additionally to being a member of another state-like concept back then. I hope you get what I mean, what I basically want to say is: Things are sometimes way more difficult (when it comes to "country of citizenship") than it seems to be. Not sure about ethnic group here, but you certainly want a reliable source for this. --Bthfan (talk) 11:57, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion

Hello all, Today I used a query to get list of w:Category:2013 deaths that doesn't have the date of death (P570) in here, the list is rather huge [570_or_CLAIM[31:13406463]&mode=cat_no_wdq&statementlist=P31%3AQ5&run=Run&label_contains=&label_contains_not=&chunk_size=10000&download=1 1500 items], I already harvested as much as possible with my bot and nothing more can't be done by bot.
My proposal is to let bots (and people) add just year for P570. Technically it's possible using precision and as an example I did in Q16147996. Do you agree? It's possible to make data more precise later. BestAmir (talk) 08:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

idea collection: data quality and trust

Hey folks :)

I am currently working on the planning for 2015. One area I want to put development time into is features and tools that will help us keep the data here in good shape and increase the trust in this data by the other Wikimedia projects (especially Wikipedia) as well as third parties. At the same time it is extremely important to me to keep this project as open and welcoming as it is. (That's a thing I will not compromise on.) I have some ideas for such features and tools but I am sure so do you. Please throw in your ideas here and I will do my best to integrate them into the plan. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 09:27, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

• On it.wiki I've not seen any problem with trust, except the occasional worry about stuff blindly imported from the chaotic en.wiki. The problem is just the absence of data on Wikidata. --Nemo 09:34, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
• 1. Integrate constraints checks to Wikidata core to avoid adding invalid values by bots and humans. Good start is integrating {{Constraint:One of}}, {{Constraint:Format}}. 2. Data access for non-Wikimedia projects (Wikidata Queries?). More projects => more users => more editors => better quality. — Ivan A. Krestinin (talk) 09:59, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
• An easy way to add references to our data points would be a great start to improving quality. Something like a wiki version of EndNote or any other reference managing system would be great. Cheers. Del_♉sion23 (talk) 10:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
• If possible, something like Flagged revisions should be implemented here. That is, changed values should be reviewed by human, and value in some controversial items should not be used in repo unless they are reviewed.--GZWDer (talk) 10:32, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Indeed, in the long term flagged revisions will probably be needed. Though as of now too many items are changing each day for flagged revisions being useful for the whole project. But I could imagine for single items this could be already useful today (for example on items that are about disputed countries/state-like concepts; or on item like "God"). --Bthfan (talk) 13:55, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
    • There are a lot of other things we can and should do before considering flagged revisions. See my initial comment on not compromising on keeping this project welcoming and open ;-) --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 13:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
• (1) Display per statement usage (as a replacement of "stated in: wikipedia xx"), (2) team up with the VisualEditor team to have a common Reference creator, here we have exactly the same needs, specially regarding the import of external metadata.--Micru (talk) 10:56, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

And the whole reference system could be revamped by having a box with all citations used in the item, and then drag&drop them on the wished statement.--Micru (talk) 11:09, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Second the comments above re references. It needs to be easier to add references and to import references from existing wikipedia templates. More references will help the confidence in the data here.

Working with visual editor so that data in wikidata can be edited from within Wikipedia and other WMF wikis will help the quantity of data and would also be a good thing, in my opinion. Filceolaire (talk) 12:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

• Personally I could use a tool like http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/autolist2.php that would be able to change qualifiers, too. But I guess something like that is up to external developers. --Bthfan (talk) 14:01, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
• To secure trusted values could be a solution? If a trusted user has created several items for "work", "author", "edition" (...) and, for example, sourced with that stuff the statement "birthday date"... why not limit future edits on this value to a small group of users? and if by any means a "rookie user" (or an IP) wants to add another value, he could introduce it without removing the previous one. After that it's a simply a problem about the ranking of both statements in property "birthday date"", far less problematic than the removal of well-sourced info, often hidden for years in Q's history.Totemkin (talk) 14:34, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Creating new items with no sitelink ?

I would like to create with pywikibot new items which have no links with any wikipedia page. I have worked on artworks existing in different Wikipedia and now I would like to add with my bot -ShonagonBot- new artworks items which don't need to be created on wikipedia. But after many many searches, I don't find the way.
Do you know if it is possible ? And if it is possible, what kind of script, could I use for this ? Shonagon (talk) 09:28, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Given that work is under way to do a Wikidata job on multimediafiles, it is probably a bit too soon to do exactly this. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 18:10, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Shonagon, you mean items like The Potato Eaters (Q154469) but than for paintings that do not have articles yet? That would be nice to create.

You can use pywikibot for that. I use that to create items about monuments (historical buildings) that do not have articles (yet). See for example Frankestraat 22, Haarlem (Q17196112). The snippet I use to create the new items (monument is a dictionary with my source data):

data = {'labels':
            {monument.get('lang'):
             {'language': monument.get('lang'),
              'value': monumentName}
             }
        }
identification = {}
summary = u'Creating new item with data from %s' % (monument.get('source'),)
pywikibot.output(summary)

result = self.repo.editEntity(identification, data, summary=summary)

monumentItemTitle = result.get(u'entity').get('id')
monumentItem = pywikibot.ItemPage(self.repo, title=monumentItemTitle)

Hope this helps

GerardM, what Wikidata job on multimediafiles are you talking about? Multichill (talk) 07:09, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata will support multi mediafiles. The first project to be supported in this way is Commons. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 19:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Multichill! Many, many thanks. It really helped me so much! So I could create my first item with bot: Jupiter Beguiled by Juno on Mount Ida (Q17242710). I published the code in Creating new item on wikidata without Wikipedia page link (in French) with edition information of visual artworks. Best regards. Shonagon (talk) 08:10, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Shonagon, I'm happy you can use it.

Earlier this week I was reading several articles about Mauritshuis (Q221092) in my paper. The paper contained a big set of articles because the museum is reopening this week. In one of those articles it said that the collection was about 800 paintings. It's a very focused high quality collection with a lot of Dutch Golden Age paintings. I thought it would be nice to import these to Wikidata, so that's what I did. I used Europeana as the source and imported all the paintings for which Europeana had metadata. You can see the images linked from the Mauritshuis in reasonator. This can probably be replicated for other collections. Multichill (talk) 12:47, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, great job, Multichill! I follow you with adding some image (P18) and labels in French and English for the Mauritshuis collection. Yes we can do the same with others collections. For information, I reuse those visual artworks data in another project : http://www.zone47.com/crotos/?p276=221092&mode=1&l=nl (updated daily) . Regards Shonagon (talk) 00:13, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

That looks awesome Shonagon! It sure makes it more appealing to add more content here :-) Multichill (talk) 20:18, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Completed image (P18) with all matched files from https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mauritshuis What you have done is awesome and a great horizon for visual artworks in wikidata. Thanks! We can envisage now to continue with others collections Shonagon (talk) 00:56, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Integration of Wikidata with Meta-wiki

I'm sorry, if this issue was discussed previously, but i could not find any relevant links here. Are there any plans of integrating Wikidata with Meta-wiki? I'm not sure if interwiki-links is the issue (afaik meta does not use interwikis), but some way of getting access from Meta to Wikidata entities through data transclusion is a good idea: Meta is a multilingual project, where some content issues are discussed. It would be convinient to get some data from here in order to simplify multinguality and meta-content discussions, lists, etc. Is there any possibility to propose/discuss this issue?--Abiyoyo (talk) 09:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey :) Yes meta will get access to the data in Wikidata too. However I don't have a date for it yet. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 09:29, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) "Integration of Wikidata with" is very unclear to me. In short you want "phase II" on Meta, right? Usually that begins with a page Wikidata:Meta-Wiki where the use cases, migration plans, consensus etc. are described. To have a use for Wikidata on Meta, probably fixing bugzilla:47930 is required first. --Nemo 09:32, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, i do want phase 2 on Meta. As far as i understood, i have to describe use-cases, propose it on Meta, gather consensus there first, and then come here with a ready proposal. Right?--Abiyoyo (talk) 10:12, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

You want to start at Wikidata:Sister projects and create the necessary page. It seems no-one has done that yet. Local consensus for enabling access to Wikidata is not necessary as every project is free to just not use it. But it would of course be very good to get some input from there for how to make use of Wikidata on Meta. It'll take some time still though until we are ready on the technical side for that. Nemo linked the right bug. So I think the best next step is create the page here and add some ideas. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 10:28, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

As an editor on Meta-Wiki, I brought this up twice before. Meta doesn't really need sitelinks, but they might be useful for certain policy pages. What we (or at least I) would really like to see is access to Wikidata properties and sitelinks of arbitrary items (in arbitrary languages). πr² (t • c) 02:20, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate property

Hi,

Property:P1378 and Property:P1379 seem to have the same English label and description. They block each other and I cannot edit them. How can this be resolved?

Thank you! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 12:36, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Seems to be fixed, P1379 has been deleted. --Bthfan (talk) 16:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

new mockups for new user interface design uploaded

Hey folks :)

I just uploaded a new mockup for Wikidata's user interface design. Thanks so much for your feedback so far! Wikidata:UI redesign input is the place to be ;-)

Cheers --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 15:46, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Merge two existing objects without API calls

Hi, is there any possibility to merge two objects via the plain web-interface into one object, without any API calls and without deleting one of the two objects first? - Two objects Q_a and Q_b exist and should be merged into one. This could be done with the API call action=wbmergeitems and the parameter "ignoreconflicts" and some additional arguments like MediaWiki:Gadget-Merge.js do it. Is there any way to do the same via the web/html-interface without any API-calls?

I didn't find any parameter like "ignoreconflicts", for example in the dialog Special:SetSiteLink. SetSiteLink on ID Q_a gives back an error:

without the possibility to ignore this warning/error. - In this case one of the two objects Q_a or Q_b have to be deleted first to "merge" the data--Wdwd (talk) 19:35, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Special:MergeItems John F. Lewis (talk) 19:36, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.--Wdwd (talk) 07:54, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Although ignoreconflicts is not yet available through the special page! ·addshore· ^{talk to me!} 10:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Kammanu

Greetings, This seems like a minor problem, but these two pages don't want to link apparently,

https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kammanu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kammanu

When I try to link them it gives me an error message. Regards, Y-barton (talk) 05:40, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I was able to merge them without trouble. -- Gymel (talk) 05:59, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Gymel! Y-barton (talk) 14:39, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Can't remove a link without JavaScript

I get no error message, yet the removed link remains in place. It used to work so this is a regression. Been like this since at least June 17. Palosirkka (talk) 14:51, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

I can confirm and reopened bugzilla:62707. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 15:30, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Lydia! Palosirkka (talk) 17:15, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

site is broken

Hi! I can not add en:Valls (disambiguation) to Valls (Q362891). The GUI is briken: no input field available. Q7912457 should be deleted with reference to Valls (Q362891). ++++

I added it without a problem. GerardM (talk) 21:39, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks @GerardM! Probably it was a Javascript or a browser version issue. The GUI is fine today. לערי ריינהארט (talk) 00:49, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Question

How can i made a text that is already exist but in another language?? eg i have a text in english and i want to made it in another language.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kostas William (talk • contribs).

@Kostas William: At the top beside your username you should see "English" or whatever language you have set. Click on it to change your language, and then you can edit the labels in that language. LabelLister is also good for this, and can be enabled in the "Gadgets" section of your preferences. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 15:11, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

not able to add unknown values

Hi, I've been trying to add an unknown value to an item statement so I can screenshot and use it as an example on our Help pages. I've specifically been trying to add an unknown value to date of death (P570) for Amelia Earhart (Q3355). Is anyone else having difficulty doing this? - Thepwnco (talk) 18:32, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I believe that I'm having that problem also. I just thought I was doing something wrong. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 18:35, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

See bugzilla:66626. --Succu (talk) 18:50, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

@Succu: thanks for this. -Thepwnco (talk) 20:03, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I've actually never added an unknown value. And I can't with it set to English... --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 21:31, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Deleted images

Hi. I've noticed a few times on the Wikidata items images which are deleted on Commons. Isn't it possible to let CommonsDelinker or so also remove images from Wikidata when they remove the images from the articles? It's pretty annoying when you think you've found an image and then noticing it's already deleted... (or maybe doing it automatically, just like when the name of an article is changed, the interwiki automatically changes on Wikidata as well) Trijnstel (talk) 11:54, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Commons is not aware that Wikidata uses images ... :( There is a bugzilla bug for it but it does not get much attention.. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 13:45, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

See bugzilla:46358. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:01, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Store name/label history explicitly with time/date information, how to?

Hi,
I'm looking for a way to explicitly store the name/label of an item together with qualifiers, so I can set start/end date when that name/label was valid for that item. Example why I want to do that: In sports for example soccer teams or tennis tournaments sometimes change their official name based on what's currently their name sponsor. I'm aware this might need multilanguage data type support which does not exist yet. Anyway, is there a property for this yet? Some infoboxen display those former names, e.g. in a sports team infobox. Or as another example (this is more difficult to get right with Lua in Wikipedia): A basketball team had the name "Hoops Ballers Berlin" from 1990 to 2005 and from 2005 on their name was "Crazy Ballers Berlin". Now when a player played for that team from 1999 to 2003, some Wikipedia articles explicitly say "Hoops Ballers Berlin (1999-2003)" in the infobox in the article on that player. To get this kind of information in Wikidata, we would need the name/label history for that basketball team item. Or create a new item for each past team name, but I don't think this would be a good solution at all (especially because we would need to link all those items to the same Wikipedia pages). It would be nice if we can keep this information in some way. --Bthfan (talk) 06:19, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Property Official name has been approved but is on hold waiting for the 'monolingual text' data type. I'm not sure when that will happen. Filceolaire (talk) 08:55, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Ok thanks, so the property is there, just the data type is missing. That's at least something :) for others interested in this: Also see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63721 on this, this bug seems to track this data type. --Bthfan (talk) 08:12, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Quantity data type documentation

Hi, recently I've added number of seats (P1342) (which uses the quantity data type) on several items. Now, I thought it would be easy to use in Wikipedia infoboxes. However, Wikidata apparently automatically adds "±1" to my entered value, and this "±1" is also displayed when called with {{#property:P1342}}. I could not figure out why or how to remove this, nor any documentation about the quantity data type. I noticed it is somehow possible to remove this but still have no clue whatsoever how to do that. Either there is a serious lack of documentation or the documentation is really not easily findable. If anyone could help me out, that would be great. Thanks, SPQRobin (talk) 20:00, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

@SPQRobin: You can remove the ±1 by appending '+/-0' to the value number. --Jakob (talk) 20:56, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Still, I'm wondering where this is documented. E.g. What is the meaning of ±1? Why is it added by default? Is it supposed to be always removed manually for properties with only natural numbers? SPQRobin (talk) 21:14, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I found out the +- 0 trick via asking on IRC... I think someone said there that this happens because the interface for entering the data is not complete yet (I guess you could also call this a bug ;). --Bthfan (talk) 08:11, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah, so it's still in development. I should've searched in bugzilla first :) SPQRobin (talk) 21:21, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Yet another sports persons tagging problem

Hi all,
I've got yet another sports persons tagging problem/question, this time it's related to the career history in infoboxen. For example an infobox for a basketball player usually lists that a player has played for team A from 1999 to 2000, for team B from 2000 to 2001, etc. So far I thought to store this info in Wikidata it would be enough to use start date/end date as qualifiers together with member of sports team (P54). But now I noticed quite a few players actually have more information stored in the career history: In the English Wikipedia for example there's the template "NBA Year" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Nbay) which actually indicates in which season a player played for that team. Example why that matters: When it says "1999 New York Knicks" in the infobox, this could either mean the player played in the 1998/99 season for that team (in the year 1999) or the player played in the 1999/2000 season for that team (in the year 1999). The NBA Year template linkifies the year to the NBA season a player was active for that team, so e.g. {{NBA Year|1997|start}} New York Knicks → [[1997–98_NBA_season|1997]] New York Knicks
{{NBA Year|1995|end}} New York Knicks → [[1995–96_NBA_season|1996]] New York Knicks

So to store this information one would need a "start season"/"end season" property (qualifier) which does not exist yet as far as I see this? Another alternative would be set "start date/end date" the same as the actual NBA season (of course we would need to get this data from somewhere else then). And to display/link this information on Wikipedia later an infobox would need to do some intersection with start/end date of NBA seasons to determinate the link it should set there (or to display the additional information "1999 New York Knicks (1998/99 Season)"). But I don't really like that solution to be honest, especially as "start date" and "end date" are likely different from the actual dates of the NBA season (usually a player signs a contract a few weeks or month before the sports season begins).
So, I'll probably request two new properties for this. Someone (dis)agrees with that or knows a better solution for that problem? --Bthfan (talk) 08:39, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I went ahead and created two property proposals at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Person#first_season and Wikidata:Property_proposal/Person#last_season --Bthfan (talk) 12:59, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Bthfan, would not valid in period (P1264) fit ? it typically is used as a qualifier to say things like

⟨ M. Jordan ⟩ team Search ⟨ Bulls ⟩
valid in period (P1264) ⟨ NBA season 1991 ⟩
valid in period (P1264) ⟨ NBA season 1992 ⟩
valid in period (P1264) ⟨ NBA season 1993 ⟩

and so on. Or did I not understood your problem ? TomT0m ^(talk) 18:49, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I did not know about this property yet. But then we would have to list every season in Wikidata instead of just saying played there from 2000 season until 2005 season. The thing is: We would need to update this entry for each new season for active players (either automatically or manually). Not very convenient IMHO. Though if we do this manually, this would make a nice list of sportspersons that need to be looked at if the information is still valid. --Bthfan (talk) 18:58, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

@Bthfan:. To me, start time (P580) and end time (P582) are more than adequate for the cases you have mentioned. If needed, one can always specify the full date instead of the year to make it clear which was the sportsperson's first or last season with a given team. And if it is not sufficient, you probably can use significant event (P793).

Another problem with start time (P580) and end time (P582) is probably that a bot cannot do that work for the somewhat special cases mentioned (importing such info from infoboxen) as that info is simply not there. Or a bot could set start date to e.g. 2012-01-01 and end date to [end of NBA season in that year] when a player joined in the year 2012 for the 2011/2012 season. But from my point of view this would introduce wrong information that's not really true. I'm somewhat to quite sure people in Wikipedia care about those details (otherwise they would not have created such templates and insert the "correct" values to get the links right). --Bthfan (talk) 21:07, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Personally, I would stick to start time (P580) and end time (P582) as well, though both values should point to the dates of a player's contract as one would do on employer (P108) since that is when the membership started. I probably would use valid in period (P1264), for example, when listing the number of games played in a season - but maybe there is, once again, another, more specialized property I am not aware of. valid in period (P1264) is not easy to spot indeed...
Anyhow, in my opinion, the "NBA Year" template seems a bit odd since it hides more specific information (NBA season) behind generic information (year). As you pointed out, the player may very well have signed the contract previous to the season start. Consequently, pointing to the season does not seem to be correct at all since the player most likely was team member before start of the season. It is a nice feature, but it contains assumptions that just do not feel right to have mirrored in Wikidata. Not sure, but I rather could imagine some property for specifying the leagues/tournaments/seasons/whatever a player played in and list all the individual seasons there. Random knowledge donator (talk) 12:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, my "start season" property suggestion has another problem: There are teams (or also individual sportspersons) that play in multiple competitions/sports seasons at the same time. So we would need to list all competitions and then some Lua code could not find out what season belongs to which start/end date. Or it just uses the first season it sees in such a property *sigh* why do people use templates a way they're not supposed to use it ;) I think I'll put my property suggestion on hold then, may optionally just use valid in period (P1264) then if people really want to link this then. In the end for most wikipedias the start/end dates should be enough. Some Lua code would then need to sort it out internally what would be the first season if it wants to linkify a year number. --Bthfan (talk) 16:12, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Search in wikidata

Why do I not find anything when I serach for tt1646971? I expected to find Q10298666. --Jobu0101 (talk) 21:02, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I think the search engine on the Wikidata website does not search over everything in the database (so no full-text search engine). But not sure what exactly gets indexed by it. I think the search engine here is the normal Mediawiki search engine. --Bthfan (talk) 13:01, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I think it indexes labels, descriptions, aliasses and the sitelinks, but no statements at all. Currently, a search only for e.g. labels or only for e.g. English is not possible, while a search for certain statements often is possible using Magnus Manske's external Wikidata Query API, e.g. with AutoList. --YMS (talk) 15:14, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Is there an API query here in wikidata which automatically redirects me to the English Wikipedia article of the movie with IMDb id x? --Jobu0101 (talk) 18:14, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

This search query returns the item id. This might be the first step. --Jobu0101 (talk) 18:33, 30 June 2014 (UTC)