Wikidata:Property proposal/NARA record group number

NARA record group number and NARA collection identifier[edit]

NARA record group number

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Done: NARA record group number (P6759) (Talk and documentation)

Description	the unique number assigned to a National Archives and Records Administration record group in United States
Data type	External identifier
Domain	only items that are instances of collection (Q2668072)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d{0,2} (for now)
Example 1	Records of District Courts of the United States (NAID 350) (Q59296199) → 21
Example 2	Records of the U.S. Mint (NAID 433) (Q59405223) → 104
Example 3	Records of the Patent and Trademark Office (NAID 568) (Q59405143) → 241
Example 4	Records of U.S. Strategic Command (NAID 560346) (Q59408145) → 535
Source	https://catalog.archives.gov
Planned use	I will add the complete set of numbers to their items.
Number of IDs in source	568
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
See also	U.S. National Archives Identifier (P1225) Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2016/Properties/1#P1223

NARA collection identifier

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Done: NARA collection ID (P6761) (Talk and documentation)

Description	the unique identifier assigned to a National Archives and Records Administration collection
Data type	External identifier
Domain	only items that are instances of collection (Q2668072)
Allowed values	`.{1,10}` - any string of up to 10 characters is allowable (all current identifiers appear to contain some combination of letters, numbers, a space, and/or a hyphen)
Example 1	Korean War Collection (NAID 104214901) (Q59480206) → HST-KWC
Example 2	Douglas MacArthur Papers (NAID 628284) (Q59480207) → DDE-1294
Example 3	Dwight D. Eisenhower Library Small Manuscripts Collection (NAID 575162) (Q59480209) → DDE-1207
Source	https://catalog.archives.gov
Planned use	I will add the complete set of identifiers to their items.
Number of IDs in source	4545
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)

Motivation[edit]

There are over 22 million catalog records in the US National Archives catalog, but just 568 of them describe a record group (Q59294700) and 4545 describe a fonds (Q59294612). These are the top-level record groupings to which all the other records in the catalog belong (as either children, children of children, or children of children of children). Because of their significance, they all have their own identifiers, separate from the general U.S. National Archives Identifier (P1225) (which is used for all entities in the catalog, including descriptions, authorities, and terms), so that they can also be listed and identified within their own set.

The record group number is a set of sequential integers from 1 to 568 that represent the order in which they were established (more here). I have recently created items for all of these record groups, but have been unable to add their actual numbers to those items yet. The collection identifier is an alphanumeric string (sometimes with hyphens or spaces in it), which, similarly, represent the top-level groupings. I am also going to add all collection descriptions to Wikidata and would similarly like them to use NARA collection identifiers.

A record group is a grouping of records with a shared provenance (in practice, based on the US federal agency the records come from), while a collection is an artificial grouping based on some other shared characteristic (generally, these are donated or presidential materials). I am combining these two proposals because they are very similar concepts, just two different NARA identifier sets. Dominic (talk) 00:41, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Comment@Dominic: Please make examples links David (talk) 07:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2: These are not identifiers with corresponding URLs. They are distinct from the U.S. National Archives Identifier (P1225) which already forms URLs to NARA's catalog records. Dominic (talk) 13:44, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support both. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:12, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Question @Multichill: Is the first one different from the ones we deleted some time ago (see Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2016/Properties/1#P1223)? Unfortunately, property talk pages of these were deleted, so it's hard to tell what they were about. --- Jura 10:01, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- More info at User_talk:Dominic#NARA_properties. Names of the old properties: NARA person ID (P1222), NARA organization ID (P1223), NARA geographic ID (P1224) & NARA specific records type ID (P1226). Multichill (talk) 10:15, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- NARA used to have many different catalog identifiers (for different types of authorities as well as the descriptions), but these were all unified into a single set. This is different from the ones being proposed here, which are used independently of (and predate) the catalog system. Dominic (talk) 13:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Are the numbers of the first identifier proposed above included in U.S. National Archives Identifier (P1225) or one of the deleted properties? --- Jura 14:05, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Jura1: No, these identifiers are unrelated. If you look at the NARA catalog record for the first example, you will see that it has both a NAID (P1225), which is also in the catalog URL, and a record group number. The record group number is a separate identifier which is used only to identify and designate the order of the record groups. the other deleted properties you are talking about were just from when the multiple catalog identifiers were merged into one unique ID. Dominic (talk) 16:21, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - Ok. --- Jura 09:29, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support both. - PKM (talk) 02:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dominic, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Pigsonthewing, Jura1, Multichill, PKM: ½ Done NARA record group number (P6759). For a URL, it would be necessary to use Wikidata External ID redirector: the futur URL consists of the U.S. National Archives Identifier (P1225). For now, the constraint for the presence of P1225 is already included in P6759 (it replaces formatter URL (P1630)). The constraint of a reference is also included, but we can also use required qualifier constraint (Q21510856) → URL (P2699). Do I continue with the second? --Eihel (talk) 16:44, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks! I have added all of the record group numbers (check here). I think it's fine that they are not a URL, because any item with this property will be required to have a NAID, and that property does link to the NARA catalog. Dominic (talk) 21:15, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]