Wikidata:Property proposal/Study fees

tuition fee

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Done: tuition fee (P5894) (Talk and documentation)

Description	the tuition fee at an educational instition (default duration:1 year, use duration qualifier to specify)
Represents	tuition fee (Q538104)
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Domain	educational institution (Q2385804)
Example 1	Heidelberg University (Q151510) → 1500€ (duration: 1 semester (Q3955006); applies to part: Non-EU/EEA Citizen (Q56508358))
Example 2	Heidelberg University (Q151510) → 650€ (duration: 1 semester (Q3955006); applies to part: second studies (Q243765)
Example 3	Harvard University (Q13371) → 46340$ (time: 2018)
Example 4	University of Oxford (Q34433) → 9250£ (applies to part: EU/EEA citizen (Q56508363); time: 2019) reference
Example 5	University of Copenhagen (Q186285) → 55000DKK (duration: 1 semester (Q3955006); applies to part: Non-EU/EEA Citizen (Q56508358),computer science (Q21198),Master of Science (Q950900)
Example 6	University of Copenhagen (Q186285) → novalue (applies to part: EU/EEA citizen (Q56508363))
See also	fee (P2555)

Discussion

•  Support John Samuel (talk) 11:29, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
•  Support Worldm99 (talk) 12:36, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done --Micru (talk) 23:49, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

semester fee

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Not done

Description	semester fee (6 months) for a university in Germany, Austria, Switzerland
Represents	semester fee (Q1386894)
Data type	Number (not available yet)
Domain	educational institution (Q2385804)
Example 1	Heidelberg University (Q151510) → 152.30€ (time: April 2018)
Example 2	University of Göttingen (Q152838) → 348.40€ (time: Oct 2018)
Example 3	Technical University of Berlin (Q51985) → 306.99€ (start time: April 2018)
See also	fee (P2555)

Motivation

I'm proposing adding tuition fee and semester fee. These are two different fees. Tuition fee describes the cost for tuition usually as an annual fee for the cost of teaching. Semester fee applies to German universities and covers administrative costs, which mostly do not have tuition fees. German universities may have a tuition fee for non-EU citizens additional to the semester fee. Please see my example. Germartin1 (talk) 13:10, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support Both David (talk) 08:27, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
•  Comment Would fee (P2555) with an appropriate qualifier be suitable for this? ArthurPSmith (talk) 13:41, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

 Comment @ArthurPSmith: It is possible, but I think fee is too general and as you can see I'm already using a lot of qualifiers with multiple values. Eventually it will become confusing. I think fee is meant for one-time payments (for an entrance or a ferry trip) Germartin1 (talk) 14:29, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

In the original property proposal, it was pointed out by Joshbaumgartner that the scope of this property should be wider than its current descriptions indicate. I agree and I have proposed to do this at Property_talk:P2555.− Pintoch (talk) 11:13, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

•  Support. ··· Rachmat04 · ☕ 02:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
•  Comment I also think it would be worth working on generalizing fee (P2555) and creating the appropriate qualifier properties to make its use more precise. This property has already been used on university items to indicate the tuition or application fee, see University of Copenhagen (Q186285) or Harvard University (Q13371) for instance. There are a lot of different types of fees, we probably do not want to create a property for each of them. Typically the "semester fee" proposal seems too country-specific to me. − Pintoch (talk) 11:13, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I added those statements, but I realized that I will become to confusing Germartin1 (talk) 15:33, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

•  Comment I support the tuition fees. I agree with User talk:Pintoch since different countries may follow different schemes: yearly, semester, trimester etc. Do we use of (P642) as a scope qualifier? John Samuel (talk) 11:33, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Jsamwrites: I agree that of (P642) would be a good qualifier for the type of fee, but I think all universities in the US, Canada, UK, etc. charge on a yearly basis. So which qualifier do you propose for the duration? Germartin1 (talk) 15:33, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Germartin1: You can make use of qualifiers like start time (P580) and end time (P582) to specify the validity of duration of fees. John Samuel (talk) 15:48, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Jsamwrites: Agreed, but how about the duration (per year, per semester), is duration (P2047) appropriate, i.e. 1 annum, 6 months, 4 months? Germartin1 (talk) 16:01, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Germartin1: Yes for specifying the total duration of the fees structure. But if fees structure changes, start time (P580) and end time (P582) can be used (for ancient fee structure). John Samuel (talk) 16:44, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

•  Comment @Germartin1: please do not mark the proposal as ready at this stage, given the ongoing discussion. Changing my comment to an  Oppose vote to clarify that. − Pintoch (talk) 14:21, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Pintoch: I'm sorry I didn't see the additional comments earlier today Germartin1 (talk) 15:11, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

•  Comment @Pintoch:,@ArthurPSmith:,@Jsamwrites: I support the broadening of Property_talk:P2555 fee property, ie. I think application fee should be within Property "fee" with a qualifier "of" "application fee".However, I believe that packing everything under fee will be confusing, because tuition and semester fee can have many values (usually the fee changes every year) and can have a bunch of qualifiers, depending on the year of study, subject, student's nationality, new student/second studies student. Those are already 5 qualifiers (including point of time). Semester fee is country specific, but they're thousands of universities within Germany alone, so I don't understand why it matters. However, if you guys don't agree, I would like to ask you if we can create an example of using the "fee" property, so everyone will know how to use it in future. Another question, is it possible to add statements to a country when for example all public universities have the same fee, using qualifiers "applies to part" "public universities". Germartin1 (talk) 15:33, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Pintoch: It's been two days, any more comments? I'd like to conclude this discussion soon. Germartin1 (talk) 12:29, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

@Germartin1: fine with me then. Looks like the first proposal is well supported, still not sure about the second one. But note that "two days" is really not much for property proposals, given the low activity in this area of Wikidata. It is normal that it takes time to build consensus for these sort of properties (identifiers are more straightforward). − Pintoch (talk) 13:13, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

•  Support Both Nepalicoi (talk) 12:23, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

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@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, ArthurPSmith, Nepalicoi, Germartin1, Pintoch, Worldm99: @Rachmat04:  Done: tuition fee (P5894). − Pintoch (talk) 06:46, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done --Micru (talk) 23:51, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

• Semester fee is still not resolved Germartin1 (talk) 16:51, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
•  Oppose use tuition fee. --- Jura 17:39, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
• Marking this as not done, since there is the option to use tuition fee (P5894) with the "duration" qualifier.--Micru (talk) 14:01, 19 December 2018 (UTC)