Wikidata:Property proposal/premiere type
premiere type[edit]
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work
| Description | indicates the premiere type (world premiere, language premiere, country premiere) of a performing arts production (controlled vocabulary) |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Domain | performing arts production (Q43099500) |
| Example | Eine kleine Stadt (Q43689202) → language premiere (Q40248002) (with language qualifier "German") |
| Planned use | The property will be used in the context of a pilot ingest of a performing arts production database which is further documented here. |
| See also |
- Motivation
In the pilot dataset as well as in the production database of the Swiss Archives of the Performing Arts, productions (premieres) are further characterized, mostly based on the premiere type (e.g. world premiere, language premiere, new staging, etc.), but in some cases also based on the performance type (e.g. outdoor performance) – an overview of the typology used is provided in the "Typology" section of the WikiProject Performing Arts. While these characteristics can be described at the level of a single performance, e.g. the premiere, by using instance of (P31), additional properties are needed to describe them at the level of the Production (or at the level of a Series of Performances in the case of guest performances). In order to specify the type of performances (e.g. outdoor performances), the property has part(s) of the class (P2670) can be used. This property is however not adequate for the rendering of the premiere type of a Performing Arts Production, as it only applies to its first representation. We therefore suggest the creation of the property "premiere type".
Background: In cooperation with staff members of the Swiss Archives for the Performing Arts (formerly: Swiss Theatre Collection) and a member of the German theatre archive community, I'm presently preparing the necessary ontology elements for a pilot ingest of theatre production data (all the productions of the Schauspielhaus Zürich during approx. 30 years). For us, this is a first step towards ingesting all the production data held by the Swiss Archives for the Performing Arts (50'000+ productions). Beat Estermann (talk) 22:49, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
- Discussion
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- It seems like you currently have invested a lot of effort into thinking about how the property will work under your domain. That's great. Additionally there's the question of how the property would interact with other fields. Do you think that this property is unique to performing arts productions? ChristianKl (✉) 17:46, 26 November 2017 (UTC
I think it is typical for the performing arts and I wouldn't know where else we could readily apply it; it makes sense for art genres that have event character and where the Performance Work is considered a work in its own right (and not just an interpretation of a preexisting frbr:Work, as in classical music). – One could ask where else we have productions with event character that are the manifestation of a Performance Work (or something similar), which in turn is based on another Work (or something similar). Any ideas? --Beat Estermann (talk) 21:58, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Comment I'm not sure I understand the relationships here, perhaps you can clarify? In the example case, Q43689202 was a theatrical production in Zurich that ran from 1938-1939. Is the entire run referred to as the "language premiere", or just the first public performance? If it's the latter, I would think a better way to model this would be with significant event (P793) language premiere (Q40248002) with the qualifier for language and point in time (P585) for the date. If the entire run is considered a premiere, I'm wondering shouldn't this be a statement on the original work rather than the particular production? ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:46, 27 November 2017 (UTC)"Premiere" in the strict sense designates the first public staging of a work, i.e. an individual performance and not the entire run of performances of a production. When describing a theatrical production, it is however quite common to indicate whether the literary/musical/choreographic work the performance work is based on has been staged before (somewhere in the world; in the given language; in the given country; in the given city). To do so, a vocabulary is used that refers to "premiere types". Thus, the proposed property is to be used on items describing a Performing Arts Production in order to indicate the "premiere type", which in the strict sense of the term applies to the first public performance of the production in question and is defined with regard to the literary/musical/choreographic work (or a particular adaptation of it) it is based on.
In addition to using the proposed property on Performing Arts Productions, there are two alternative ways to express the same concept of premiere in Wikidata:
(a) Create a separate item for the first performance of the production and use "instance of" language premiere (Q40248002), etc.
(b) Use significant event (P793) language premiere (Q40248002), etc. with qualifiers on the item of the literary/musical/choreographic work.
We decided not to opt for (a) on a systematic basis, as this would mean creating two items for every production (for the production itself, and for the premiere); we would suggest to create separate items for single performances only if there is a good reason for it (e.g. changes in the cast, etc.). (b) remains a possibility and should in my opinion be used to indicate the world premiere and some major country and language premieres. However, it would probably not make much sense to add all the country, language, and city premieres (and new stagings for that matter) on the item of the play like Shakespeare's Hamlet or Molière's Miser.
Now, you could ask why not to use the same approach as for (b) on the item of the Performing Arts Production. I've implemented it for illustration purposes on the example item: Eine kleine Stadt (Q43689202). The main reason why I was not going for that approach is that from an ontological point of view the "significant event" does not apply so much to the Performing Arts Production, but to the literary/musical/choreographic work it is based on. At the least we would need to have a further qualifier to point to the work (a new property would need to be created). We should however also keep in mind that the attribute "premiere type" may also point to not so significant events, such as "new staging" or "revival". --Beat Estermann (talk) 18:44, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Support David (talk) 08:20, 28 November 2017 (UTC)- Support ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:56, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- @ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, ArthurPSmith, Beat Estermann:
Done Created as premiere type (P4634). ChristianKl (✉) 23:01, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
