Wikidata:Requests for comment/Many surname items had been un merged because of failure to communicate.

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stale --Pasleim (talk) 20:10, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Recently it came to my attention that are maybe hundreds of thousands surnames that are not linked between the languages. The ONLY reason for that is some writers in some wikis can not tell the difference between surname and disambigN templates and no-one communicated that difference. Instead in your infinite wisdom some of you:

  1. trust your bots more than the users making the merge.
  2. making changes for the articles based on a little misplaced tag in the languages you don't know and can't even read the alphabet.

So what is the policy on surnames should be going forward? --Ilyaroz (talk) 20:38, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Current guidelines Wikidata:WikiProject Disambiguation pages/guidelines , see the "Special cases". Just an example to understand why disambiguation is different than a surname: Rossi (Q8140765) and Rossi (Q396074) --ValterVB (talk) 22:19, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Right, AGAIN, the marking on the page was wrong NOT IN THE ITEM IN WIKIDATA, yet your unsophisticated bot did the damage to the ITEM THE ITEM IN WIKIDATA. Why you ask me, because you are not equipped to deal with the page in this language, so the normal response from a normal human being:
  1. don't do the damage, where you don't understand.
  2. engage the user who made the change to get to the bottom of it
  3. make the correct change.

What you did instead is some bureaucratic response about nothing to people who are trying to correct this. What is most sad is I now understood how much damage was done this way, - a-lot. We are talking hundreds of thousands surname have 2,3,4 items where they should have one. A massive failure on the wikidata admin watch. --Ilyaroz (talk) 23:29, 23 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

BOT? I haven't used BOT. --ValterVB (talk) 11:13, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So managed to do this amount of damage manually. Valter, which of the following languages do you know: Polish, Belorussian, Russian, Ukrainian? If the answer in NONE, what information point did you have to un-merge this entry, which is all about the surname? You had NOTHING to go on other than stupid misplaced template meaning of which wikimedia failed to communicate to these languages wikipedias. Recuse yourself from such work immediately --Ilyaroz (talk) 13:06, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I just discovered that german wikipdia does not even have Surname template so ALL SURNAME ENTRIES from german wiki had been un linked. What a colossal waist wikidata project is! --Ilyaroz (talk) 13:19, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just an example: de:Östberg isn't a disambiguation, but probably you can find more in de:Kategorie:Familienname --ValterVB (talk) 14:20, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Right, this just one of them, but if you look most of the surname topics are un links. There were links years back before wikidata was invented. --Ilyaroz (talk) 03:43, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Jura. Who are these people? What I am seeing is people giving up on wikidata as a failed way to inter link wikis. --Ilyaroz (talk) 03:43, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@ChristianKl Start with any surname topic in English wikipedia and go back in history before wikidata. --Ilyaroz (talk) 03:47, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is not only one Chaplin in the famous family, but also other Chaplins. Last names can have disambiguation pages and purely encyclopedic explanatory pages. Certainly some are poorly made. Once again, please don't change all the pages on your own, Ilyaroz. —Eihel (talk) 06:18, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lets start simple - explain why list of Abramov names in English can be in the same item as 15 other languages -Ilyaroz (talk) 01:24, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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