Wikidata talk:Lexicographical data/th
Wikidata:Wiktionary
- The previous topics of this page have been archived here.
- See also the discussion on the previous proposals. They also include some general points that might apply to the current proposal.
2016
[edit]We have the volunteers, we have the ideas, we have the promised year - but do we have the WMF? When is this project finally starting? We could easily -compared to others - create the biggest and the most comprehensive dictionary the world has ever seen, it just needs the help of the WMF. Where is it? Greetings, 62.226.86.126 23:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
- The groundwork is being done as it is the same groundwork that is being done for Commons support. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) 08:07, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
Reactions to FAQ
[edit]Why will this project be useful for Wiktionary editors? : I think you miss a point here. The way Indonesian (to keep this example) describe morphosyntaxical categories of Estonian is different of the way English describe it or Polish describe it. Because there is no unique ontology of linguistic concept to describe languages and because of simplification. Firstly, sorry for diversity, linguistics is still a young discipline and terminology is still evolving in some part of the world, and being frozen in other part because of tradition. So, operative concepts, name of column if you imagine a figure with a paradigm in it, are different from one language to another, from one description to another. Secondly, simplification. We do not use all the linguistics concepts in Wiktionary, because it appears to be too cryptic. Let's pick the example of optative (optative (Q527205)) that describe a wish or a choice. Good, but most of the readers have never heard this concept! Wiktionary have to adapt it to a more generic and culturally appropriate concept. It is often rendered with subjunctive because it is quite the same idea, but some languages may prefer another choice. How Wikidata can deal with that? Is it recorded in Wikidata or in the Editor tool in Wiktionary?
Second part of this paragraph: Can you provide any suggestion of tools that may emerge thanks to a lexical database? (I have some ideas, but it may be clearer for all participants to have a better picture of the future and to desire it). Noé (talk) 14:31, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Hello @Noé:, thanks for your feedback.
- The Wikidata structure is already ready for complexity and modeling different ways, with a lot of statements and non-restrictive properties. The development team will provide the tools and we will let the linguistic experts decide on which tools to use in which language. We also can store very complex and complete information on Wikidata, and sort it to display only some chosen parts on Wiktionary.
- The ideas will come both from Wikidata and Wiktionaries communities, but to give you just one example, having cross-structured data will allow an external language-learning project, like Parley, to parse several Wiktionaries, which is not possible for now. Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 15:41, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- We already have an example of such a tool on fr.wiktionary: fr:wikt:Wiktionnaire:Recherche avancée. It is difficult to generalize because I extract data from the French xml dump with a parser specific to the French project. If we can use the structured data from Wikidata, we could create a more general lexical search tool much more easily, and for every language. Darkdadaah (talk) 16:22, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Only if one extracts the data from every langugage. The Wikinews tool, for example, failed due to the high maintenance cost for extracting the data from only a half dozen or so Wiktionary languages. - Amgine (talk) 16:26, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- We already have an example of such a tool on fr.wiktionary: fr:wikt:Wiktionnaire:Recherche avancée. It is difficult to generalize because I extract data from the French xml dump with a parser specific to the French project. If we can use the structured data from Wikidata, we could create a more general lexical search tool much more easily, and for every language. Darkdadaah (talk) 16:22, 13 September 2016 (UTC)