Wikidata talk:WikiProject WLM/Mapping tables/es (es)

Missmatch?

@Strakhov: I saw that you reverted this with a comment indicating the matching might be faulty. I've paused the bot job but it would be great with some more information about the situation. /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 15:06, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

The data came from es:Anexo:Bienes_de_interés_cultural_de_la_provincia_de_Cádiz wheere it was marked as bic. /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 15:10, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Is there some pattern which can be used to disentangle the non bic codes from the bic ones? /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 15:13, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

 Comment @André Costa (WMSE): Let's see.

• Values stored in Asset of cultural interest code (P808) should comply with this regex: (RI|ARI)-(AR|BI|MU|5[1-6])-\d{7}(|-000\d|-000\d{2}). These values are granted by Ministry of Education, Culture and Sport (Q3181296) and they come from this database (click in Consulta de la base de datos de bienes inmuebles). That means if they do not start with RI or ARI that codes are not intended to be stored in P808.

• There are BIC's that do not have BIC code or that cannot be found in that database, though.

• Andalusia (Q5783) has its own cultural heritage institutions and stuff. Andalusian Institute of Historical Heritage (Q5917182) controls that. They have a pretty cool database (this one). In that webpage there are Bien de Interés Cultural (Q23712), Bien en el Catálogo General del Patrimonio Histórico Andaluz (Q27680146) and other buildings and structures.

This is the iglesia de San Pedro in IAPH's database (we have a "web identifier property": Guía Digital del Patrimonio Cultural de Andalucía ID (P3318), for that church its value is i1488. We have not an ID for the "official" number ("01110060007", we should probably propose a new property). The entry on that church does not indicate a cultural heritage status/protection (unlike this one, for example) so, we can say, at least, it's not a BIC (this church isn't either in the Ministry of Education, Culture and Sport (Q3181296) database).

Concluding:

• Only values starting with "RI" or "ARI" are suitable for "P808"
• if the code starts with RI or ARI it's probably a BIC, so "P1435->Q23712" is mostly OK.
• If the code has a "01110060007" form, it may not be a BIC, so claims should not be added to "P808" or "P1435". strakhov (talk) 15:41, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

@Strakhov: Thanks. Looks like there is a bunch of reverting to do =(

Looks like some of these are ids are actually IGPCV ID (P2473). Do you know the appropriate heritage designation (P1435) for these? /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 15:57, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

• @André Costa (WMSE): Items with a IGPCV ID (P2473) value could be Bien de Interés Cultural (Q23712) (they may have a Asset of cultural interest code (P808) value too) or Property of Local Relevance (Q11910247) and they are restricted to located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)->Valencian Community (Q5720) (or sub-entities). strakhov (talk) 16:02, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
  • @Strakhov:. Thanks. Could they be both Property of Local Relevance (Q11910247) and Property of Local Relevance (Q11910247)? /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 16:19, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

• @André Costa (WMSE): You're welcome. If you meant Property of Local Relevance (Q11910247) and Bien de Interés Cultural (Q23712) ...I think not. I'm pretty sure one excludes the other, in this "Valencian" case. But both of them could be included in the Inventario General del Patrimonio Cultural Valenciano (IGPCV), though. strakhov (talk) 16:26, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

• @André Costa (WMSE): BTW in the next days I'll try to write kind of schema/sketch in Wikidata:WikiProject Spain/Cultural heritage about statuses, codes, regexes and incompatibilities in the descentralised Spain. Thanks for your edits. :) strakhov (talk) 16:51, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

• @Strakhov: I've now reverted all of the bad imports and made a patch for the bot to only allow imports of monuments which match the BIC regexp. /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 19:35, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

@Strakhov: I'll restart the Spain upload in a little while. It now only allows uploads with valid BIC id's but please give a shout if you see that it is misbehaving again. /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 10:07, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@Strakhov: Saw that this failed again. Sigh. Stopped the import an will revert the incorrect imports. With 400 of them I might not have time to do them all right now though. /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 14:39, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@André Costa (WMSE): Well, Spain is different, some people dare to say :). No problem. I've documented here (Wikidata:WikiProject Spain/Cultural heritage) several properties and statuses wrt Spanish cultural heritage. Thanks! strakhov (talk) 14:47, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Wrt that ones, that codes should go to "IGPCV ID (P2473)" and no "cultural heritage status" should be added (unless there were tables or stuff like that ...that provide that data). strakhov (talk) 14:51, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

All reverted now. /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 11:51, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

@Strakhov: Third (and final) try starting now. /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 12:15, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi. AFAIK it's alright. I do not agree on adding P31=Q4989906 to these items, and I think something like "heritage designation (P1435)->"Bien de Interés Cultural (Q23712)" qualified with subject has role (P2868) -> "item describing a specific type of BIC in Spain called «Monumento»" would be a better approach wrt this, since monument (Q4989906) refers to "type of structure either explicitly created to commemorate a person or important event, or used for that purpose", kind of loose and ambiguous term that hardly describes what a chapel or a church or a castle or a palace is. But, well, that's secondary. Thanks. strakhov (talk) 16:26, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Comments / corrections (if useful)

• Arroyo Butarque: I've disentangled the watercourse (Butarque (Q793534)) from the archaeological site, creating a new item: Q43093626. I've moved the references too. I don't know if the original database should be fixed now and how. strakhov (talk) 19:59, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

• Ateneo de Madrid: I reverted the edits there. There is an institution/organization (Ateneo de Madrid (Q2869328)) and the building this organisation occupies (Ateneo de Madrid building (Q29433553)). The BIC is the second one. strakhov (talk) 16:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

• Parlamento de Canarias: I reverted the edits there. There is an institution/organization/parliament/elected body (Canarian Parliament (Q4843653)) and the building this "elected body" occupies (Parlament of Canary Islands building (Q27616561)). The BIC is the second one. strakhov (talk) 01:14, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

• Instituto Geológico y Minero: I reverted the edits there. There is an institution/organization (Spanish Geological Survey (Q5535322)) and the building this organisation occupies (Instituto Geológico y Minero de España headquarters (Q26973020)). The BIC is the second one. strakhov (talk) 16:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)