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honorific suffix
word or expression with connotations conveying esteem or respect when used, after a name, in addressing or referring to a person
word or expression with connotations conveying esteem or respect when used, after a name, in addressing or referring to a person
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Value type “award (Q618779), name suffix (Q1964223), honorific suffix (Q115859704)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “subclass of (P279)”. On these, the value for subclass of (P279) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value award (Q618779), name suffix (Q1964223), honorific suffix (Q115859704) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1035#Value type Q618779, Q1964223, Q115859704, SPARQL
Property “short name (P1813)” declared by target items of “honorific suffix (P1035)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “short name (P1813)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1035#Target required claim P1813, SPARQL, SPARQL (by value)
Type “human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1035#Type Q5, Q95074, SPARQL
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1035#Item P21, search, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1035#Item P21, search, SPARQL
Item “date of birth (P569)”: Items with this property should also have “date of birth (P569)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1035#Item P569, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1035#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1035#Scope, SPARQL
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Honorific suffixes[edit]
Discussion copied from Wikidata:Project chat#Honorific suffixes.
This good-faith edit appears problematic; while the subject does indeed hold a Queen's Police Medal, that entitled them to use the honorific suffix "QPM". The words "Queens Police Medal" are, AIUI, never used as an honorific suffix. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:30, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
- honorific suffix (P1035) = QPM (Q7265514) was wrong since it is a Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410), so I merely replaced it with the best existing item: King's Police Medal (Q2792177). I agree property award received (P166) might be better a better fit for the latter, though. What would you suggest, creating a dedicated Q-item for each honorific suffix like "QPM" or "PhD", or changing property honorific suffix (P1035) to type string ? LaddΩ chat ;) 18:26, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, but possibly P166? But not all suffixes are for awards. Perhaps honorific suffix (P1035) (and honorific prefix (P511)) should apply to awards, official posts and so on, and not to people? So we can say that Derrick Capper had an award called the Queen's Police Medal, and from that we can determine that that gave him the hon suffix "QPM". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:57, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
- Makes sense. Since honorific suffix (P1035) was primarily meant to help identify which honorific suffixes should be applied to humans, we might: a) rename it to something like "honorific qualification", pointing to applicable items such as awards and academic degrees (e.g. King's Police Medal (Q2792177)), and b) associate the applicable string suffix to the award, degree or qualification. I wonder if there is already a string property for that? P743 (P743), like on Doctor of Philosophy (Q752297) ? - LaddΩ chat ;) 19:44, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
- So how do we bring this about? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:38, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
- See next section. LaddΩ chat ;) 15:58, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
- So how do we bring this about? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:38, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
- Makes sense. Since honorific suffix (P1035) was primarily meant to help identify which honorific suffixes should be applied to humans, we might: a) rename it to something like "honorific qualification", pointing to applicable items such as awards and academic degrees (e.g. King's Police Medal (Q2792177)), and b) associate the applicable string suffix to the award, degree or qualification. I wonder if there is already a string property for that? P743 (P743), like on Doctor of Philosophy (Q752297) ? - LaddΩ chat ;) 19:44, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, but possibly P166? But not all suffixes are for awards. Perhaps honorific suffix (P1035) (and honorific prefix (P511)) should apply to awards, official posts and so on, and not to people? So we can say that Derrick Capper had an award called the Queen's Police Medal, and from that we can determine that that gave him the hon suffix "QPM". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:57, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Renaming this property[edit]
This property is currently named "honorific suffix" but points to items that represent honorific distinctions or qualifications, not suffixes as such. Thus if no one objects:
- This property will be renamed to "honorific qualification"
- An extra constraint will be added, requiring that the target item bears property P743 (P743) (that would hold the actual suffix)
Comments? @Shawn in Montreal, Danrok, Nemo, OldakQuill, Filceolaire, billinghurst, Andy Mabbett - LaddΩ chat ;) 16:11, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
- So you propose to merge Property:P511? In the discussion for the creation of this property I noted that the English Wikipedia has a specific w:en:Template:Post-nominals but the global situation is not clear. --Nemo 11:25, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- No, the use of this should just be applied as per the original proposal, not the fouled implementation. What is needed is something that allows the addition of post-nominal letters for those who receive an award. For instance, for someone who received the Queens's Police Medal, that the initials QPM can be called where their full name is required. Such that this property should be applied as an honorific suffix of an award, so that the it can be called as part of a full name. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:32, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- We cannot use it as per original proposal with the current name: "honorific suffix" cannot point to an item that is not a suffix as such, like Doctor of Philosophy (Q752297). @billinghurst: how do you suggest we handle this? - LaddΩ chat ;) 14:11, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
- @Laddo: Huh? I am not getting it them. It is a string where we want to call the honorific suffix (P1035) of each award for an identified person, and rather than return "Companion of the Order of Australia, Queen's Police Medal", etc. such that it returns AC, QPM. Then we have the orders/awards are returned in sequence (we will need to order them manually). I can only see that we can have QPM as a string "honorific suffix", where it is a property of Queen's Police Medal. Adding it repeatedly for each person is positively daft. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:37, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
- We cannot use it as per original proposal with the current name: "honorific suffix" cannot point to an item that is not a suffix as such, like Doctor of Philosophy (Q752297). @billinghurst: how do you suggest we handle this? - LaddΩ chat ;) 14:11, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
- No, the use of this should just be applied as per the original proposal, not the fouled implementation. What is needed is something that allows the addition of post-nominal letters for those who receive an award. For instance, for someone who received the Queens's Police Medal, that the initials QPM can be called where their full name is required. Such that this property should be applied as an honorific suffix of an award, so that the it can be called as part of a full name. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:32, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- @billinghurst: OK the right solution might come when "indirect" properties will be supported - that is, very soon I believe: displaying the "short suffix" from the "award" item on the "person" item. Let's wait. - LaddΩ chat ;) 15:24, 24 April 2014 (UTC)