Property talk:P425
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field corresponding to this occupation or profession (use only for occupations/professions - for people use Property:P101, for companies use P452)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P425#Type Q12737077, Q28640, Q17305127, Q1914636, Q115580828, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P425#Value type Q11862829, Q1914636, Q9081, Q1756157, Q60733114, Q7406919, Q17524420, Q32859534, Q12737077, Q627436, Q117021501, Q930752, Q1047113, SPARQL
if [item A] has this property (field of this occupation (P425)) linked to [item B],
then [item B] should also have property “practiced by (P3095)” linked to [item A]. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P425#inverse, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P425#Entity types
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P425#Scope, SPARQL
if [item A] has this property (field of this occupation (P425)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P425#Contemporary, SPARQL
This property is being used by: Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.) |
Discussion[edit]
Untitled[edit]
Discussed at Talk:Q28640 (profession).
- Oops. Isn't it the same as P:P101? Infovarius (talk) 18:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- I brought up that possibility (see my last comment on the archive link), but noted that the domain was different (P101 has a person domain). Superm401 - Talk 19:50, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- By the way, in Wikidata:List of properties this property is described incorrectly. May be to use as typical taxon indeed? Infovarius (talk) 18:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. Fixed. -- Docu at 18:41, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Constraint[edit]
Can this be extended to allow not only professions but also occupations, i.e. instances of occupation (Q13516667), too? -- Gymel (talk) 07:24, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- I think so. Let's try. --Infovarius (talk) 06:50, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
- That was not very convincing (diff). I'm changing the template parameter to "subclass" now, perhaps that still includes instances. -- Gymel (talk) 17:04, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
- @@Infovarius: No, that didn't include instances, thus the report became dramatically worse. Reverted it. -- Gymel (talk) 09:37, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- That was not very convincing (diff). I'm changing the template parameter to "subclass" now, perhaps that still includes instances. -- Gymel (talk) 17:04, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
"Field of" qualifications or degrees?[edit]
Doktor Nauk in Architecture (Q16698078) is neither profession nor occupation, therefore
is not allowed. But certainly Doktor Nauk in Architecture (Q16698078) is strongly related to architecture (Q12271) as a field. Any clues how to denote this? -- Gymel (talk) 10:44, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
- Similar issue is with hatter (Q1639239)'s relation to hatmaking (Q663375). --Infovarius (talk) 11:47, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say so: , (where ) and therefore is exactly as intended. -- Gymel (talk) 16:36, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Occupation or profession?[edit]
Items for people use P106. This has the English label "occupation".
- Sample: Nigel Richards (Q3341367) > occupation > Scrabble player (Q20708269)
If this should be used on such items, should we change the label to "field of this occupation"?
- Sample: Scrabble player (Q20708269) > field of this occupation > Scrabble (Q170436)
How should be proceed? --- Jura 14:55, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Why can't civil servants work in civil service?[edit]
I don't have the answer but someone evidently does, otherwise there'd be no protest at Q9844795 (civil servant), stating: "Values of field of this occupation statements should be instances or subclasses of one of the following classes (or of one of their subclasses), but civil service currently isn't:
- industry
- academic discipline
- activity
- knowledge
- area of law".
I don't have a solution but this needs fixing. --Ehitaja (talk) 20:40, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Inverse property not working well[edit]
See discussion at Property talk:P3095#Inverse property not working well. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:38, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Constraint conflicts when industry is also an activity[edit]
Right now, both of the following claims exist:
- field of this occupation (P425)property constraint (P2302)conflicts-with constraint (Q21502838)
property (P2306)industry (P452) constraint status (P2316)mandatory constraint (Q21502408) - practiced by (P3095)property constraint (P2302)inverse constraint (Q21510855)
property (P2306)field of this occupation (P425)
This causes a conflict for some items which are instance of (P31)activity (Q1914636) and instance of (P31)industry (Q268592).
For example, candle-maker (Q1739737)field of this occupation (P425)candlemaking (Q29349255). This claim could certainly be omitted from the perspective of candlemaking (Q29349255), since there is already candle-maker (Q1739737)industry (P452)candlemaking (Q29349255) and it seems repetitive, but that would cause a constraint violation on candlemaking (Q29349255)practiced by (P3095)candle-maker (Q1739737) because it would missing the inverse statement. I think removing this last claim from candlemaking (Q29349255) would be a loss of relevant information.
I propose removing the first constraint, so that items could have both field of this occupation (P425) and industry (P452). What do others think? Daask (talk) 13:49, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Daask: I am removing candle-maker (Q1739737)industry (P452)candlemaking (Q29349255). As its description states, industry (P452) should have an organization as subject. --GrandEscogriffe (talk) 15:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- That should resolve my concern. Thank you! Daask (talk) 16:45, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
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