Property talk:P608

From Wikidata
Jump to navigation Jump to search

Documentation

exhibition history
exhibitions where the item is or was displayed
Descriptionexhibition history
Representsexhibition (Q464980)
Data typeItem
Template parametercommons:Template:Artwork
Domain
According to this template: museum objects
According to statements in the property:
work (Q386724), archaeological artefact (Q220659), item of collection or exhibition (Q18593264), physical object (Q223557) or physical substance (Q28732711)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed valuesdirect or indirect instances of exhibition (Q464980) (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
ExampleThe Virgin and Child with Saint Anne (Q563727) → Saint Anne, Leonardo da Vinci’s ultimate masterpiece (Q18560520)
Rainer Gross (Q106771740) → Rainer Gross - Taktgefühl (Q97150495)
Sourceexhibition catalogues, museum databases (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property source website for the property (P1896))
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P608 (Q112663220)
See alsolocation (P276), collection (P195), presented in (P5072)
Lists
Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total41,014
Main statement40,991>99.9% of uses
Qualifier17<0.1% of uses
Reference6<0.1% of uses
Search for values
[create Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here]
Value type “exhibition (Q464980), arts festival edition (Q124312595), film festival edition (Q27787439)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value exhibition (Q464980), arts festival edition (Q124312595), film festival edition (Q27787439) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P608#Value type Q464980, Q124312595, Q27787439, SPARQL
Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P608#Scope, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P608#Entity types
This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Use for artists

[edit]

WikiProject sum of all paintings has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead.

Could this property be also used to indicate which exhibitions an artist participated in? Finoskov would be interested in that use. − Pintoch (talk) 08:48, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An example of the proposed use is at Q3557418#P608. − Pintoch (talk) 12:23, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Support that usage - Salgo60 (talk) 23:03, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Support --Recherchedienst (talk) 09:25, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Support I ran into the same problem. —Frank Schulenburg (talk) 21:24, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Values should be exhibitions, not institutions!?

[edit]

@Joshbaumgartner: I'm against property constraint (P2302)value-type constraint (Q21510865)class (P2308)museum (Q33506) added with this edit and have reverted it. For something being in a museum or the collection of a museum location (P276) and collection (P195) respectively with appropriate start time (P580)/end time (P582) etc. qualifiers, no need to duplicate this information under this property. If you disagree let me know why. Best, --Marsupium (talk) 08:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Marsupium: I totally agree (both on ontological and pragmatical ground). Also, I'm a bit dubious of the use on Vultee BT-13 Valiant (Q28055), I guess this property should be use on individual item rather than on a family aircraft, WDYT? Cheers, VIGNERON en résidence (talk) 08:40, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@VIGNERON en résidence: Oh, Vultee BT-13 Valiant (Q28055) doesn't look well-modeled. Has to be resolved with items for the exemplars that get location (P276)/collection (P195) then. As long as nobody feels like creating the needed items, I'd rather prefer the respective statements to be deleted. (Anyway, they are not referenced.) Best, --Marsupium (talk) 08:56, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jarekt: Could you state your view here considering last changes and related c:Template talk:Artwork#Exhibition history. Thanks a lot! Best, --Marsupium (talk) 17:33, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Marsupium, When this property was proposed the proposal was only for institutions, and for a long time it was the main use I observed. Other use I noticed was cities: I do not like it much but for some items all a source might give you is that it was displayed in at some location at some point in time. Those cases are not great but probably should not be flagged as an issue, just like providing century someone was born in is better than nothing when year of birth is not known. I also enthusiastically support extending the coverage to exhibitions, but the original use should not be excluded. --Jarekt (talk) 04:10, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Jarekt, from the proposal I cannot read out that it was intended for institutions. The example given has Saint Anne, Leonardo da Vinci’s ultimate masterpiece (Q18560520) as value, an exhibition. The last comment in the proposal explicitly contains "it is distinct from location". But even regardless of the (usage) history of this property the main question to me remains: How is the relation of this property to location (P276)? In my eyes locations (cities if no more precise information is available) clearly belong to location (P276), no? Should we maintain all that data twice in location (P276) and exhibition history (P608)? Best, --Marsupium (talk) 08:13, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS: To add some numbers: At Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P608#Types statistics the first non-exhibition class is art museum (Q207694) with 529 use cases, the more popular classes are 27236 added together. Seems like non-exhibitions might be 1-2% of current use cases. --Marsupium (talk) 08:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Marsupium, I never studied this property very closely but property proposal states "Domain: museum objects", and when you click Items with the most statements of this property link on the top of the page most of the returned items (which I used for testing) were for non-exhibition items (mostly GLAM institutions, but also peoples names, hotel names, building addresses, cities, etc.). I do prefer exhibition items, but do not see anything wrong with other items as long as they are supported by references. I do not have strong feelings about value-type constraint (Q21510865) class set to territory (Q1496967), and if you think that is incorrect use, I am fine with removing it. --Jarekt (talk) 03:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Jarekt, for now I've made it property constraint (P2302)value-type constraint (Q21510865)class (P2308)exhibition (Q464980) only again. Best, --Marsupium (talk) 02:14, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Qualifiers

[edit]
User:Zolo
Jane023 (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
User:Vincent Steenberg
User:Kippelboy
User:Shonagon
Marsupium (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
GautierPoupeau (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Multichill (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Susannaanas (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC) I want to synchronize the handling of maps with this initiative[reply]
Mushroom (talk) 00:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Jheald (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Spinster (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
PKM (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2015‎ (UTC)[reply]
Sic19 (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wittylama (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Armineaghayan (talk) 08:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Musedata102 (talk) 20:27, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hannolans (talk) 18:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
User:Martingggg
Zeroth (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
User:7samurais
User:mrtngrsbch
User:Buccalon
Infopetal (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Karinanw (talk) 16:38, 24 March 2020‎ (UTC)[reply]
Ahc84 (talk) 17:38, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:BeatrixBelibaste
Valeriummaximum
Bitofdust (talk) 22:52, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mathieu Kappler
Zblace (talk) 07:22, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oursana (talk) 13:16, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ham II (talk) 08:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DaxServer (talk) 16:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Ebakogianni
 :Bold 62.122.184.227 11:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts books and other sources often provide a catalogue number and a title in addition to the exhibition name. For example: Paris, Galeries Durand-Ruel, Exposition de Tableaux, Pastels et Gravures de Mary Cassatt, Nov.-Dec. 1893, cat. 1, as La Toilette de l'Enfant. here

Should we use qualifiers for that ? Or these data go directly to the catalogue and title properties ? On commons c:template:Exhibition support these data, but c:cTemplate:Artwork does not retrieve them from Wikidata. -Zolo (talk) 09:43, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good question! Whether or not we use them it would be good to come up with data modelling recommendations for this. It’s very relevant for provenance modelling in general, not just for art. Consider the case of local gardening contests. Jane023 (talk)<

I usually use the catalogue code properly with the catalogue as a qualifier. Example at Richard Hilliard (Q107252416)? PKM (talk) 00:28, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

property constraint

[edit]

Currently exhibition (Q464980) and arts festival edition (Q124312595) are the only allowed values. I would add film festival edition (Q27787439) as well, as it's pretty much the same as arts festival edition (Q124312595) --D-Kuru (talk) 21:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As there were no comments, reservations or constraints against this, I added film festival edition (Q27787439) --D-Kuru (talk) 11:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi D-Kuru, I found your comment only now while looking for a property that may be used to link films to film festival editions. There also exists presented in (P5072) which may be used to indicate film festivals at which a film was presented (have a look at the example). What do you think about their relationship? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I use this property, because I asked on the Project chat and got this property as answer. To be honest, I don't mind either of them, because they seem to achieve pretty much the same thing. Even though I think that the best way would be to tag all films in the item of the film festival. --D-Kuru (talk) 17:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with your last sentence (especially film items can get very large, even without a long list of festivals they were screened at). I could not find a good property for the inverse relation (there is setlist (P9793) for music). Additionally I found a third way to express the relation between films and film festival editions (that is actually very much in use): participant in (P1344) with 869 uses (presented in (P5072) has 728 uses, exhibition history (P608) 96 uses). I will put this up for discussion at Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 20:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Link to discussion: Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Movies#Linking_films_to_festival_editions - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property_talk:P608&oldid=2270956820"