Property talk:P841

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feast day
saint's principal feast day
DescriptionSaint's principal feast day
Data typeItem
Template parameter"feast_day" in en:Template:Infobox saint
Domain
According to this template: person
According to statements in the property:
human (Q5), group of humans (Q16334295), title of Virgin Mary (Q1509831), human whose existence is disputed (Q21070568), legendary figure (Q13002315), attributes of God in Christianity (Q4818719), Bible story (Q856663) or pericope (Q118289)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed valuesday (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
ExampleSaint Patrick (Q165479) → March 17 (Q2419)
Saint Anne (Q164294) → July 26 (Q2723)
September 9 (Q7452216)
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P841 (Q23908999)
See alsoname day (P1750), day in year for periodic occurrence (P837)
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Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total9,457
Main statement9,29498.3% of uses
Qualifier1601.7% of uses
Reference3<0.1% of uses
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Property “instance of (P31): point in time with respect to recurrent timeframe (Q14795564)” declared by target items of “feast day (P841)”: If [item A] has this property with value [item B], [item B] is required to have property “instance of (P31): point in time with respect to recurrent timeframe (Q14795564)”. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P841#Target required claim P31, SPARQL
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P841#Type Q5, Q16334295, Q1509831, Q21070568, Q13002315, Q4818719, Q856663, Q118289, SPARQL
Born in future
(Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?born { ?item wdt:P841 []; wdt:P569 ?born. FILTER (?born >= NOW()) }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P841#Born in future
This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Permit villages to have this property[edit]

Many villages have certain feast days. Should this property be permitted to be applied to villages? (If so some of the constraints will also need to be changed.) Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:57, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How should we handle saints with different feast days in different religions?[edit]

Saint Anne (Q164294) has a feast day of July 26 is Roman Catholicism, but September 9 in Eastern Orthodoxy (using the Eastern Orthodox Liturgical calendar). How should we designate the difference? My solution so far is to add religion or worldview (P140) as a qualifier, but I'm not sure that's the best solution -Thunderforge (talk) 03:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:Thunderforge, I have been wondering about this question as well, with the problem in mind that even within Roman Catholicism there can be several feast days for one saint. At Jerome (Q44248), Robert Bellarmine (Q298664), Saints Cosmas and Damian (Q76486) (maybe some others I forgot now) I used stated in (P248) to say that the particular feast date is stated in this or that (printed) calendar on a certain page (as part of the "references"); and I used part of (P361) to indicate that a certain feast is "part of" a particular calendar thought of as a more abstract concept, like the Tridentine calendar (Q7883976). This way one could differentiate between saying "The Synaxarium of bishop X of Y, printed in 1652 in Athens (fictional example) says that September 9 is St Anne's" (stated in) and "September 9 is St Anne's in the Eastern Orthodox calendar" (part of). I'm currently preparing a project to consolidate all the "feast day" entries for the saints of the Roman Catholic (Universal/General) Calendar, so I'd appreciate if there were a good solution before touching all the entries. --MF-W 00:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dia de festividad de una advocación mariana[edit]

La mayor parte de las advocaciones marianas tienen fijado un dia para su festividad; por ejemplo la Virgen de Guadalupe el 12 de dciiembre; sin embargo, el dato de día de festividad tiene una restricción de declaración requerida: "Las entidades que incluyan día de festividad deben contar también con una declaración estado de canonización". Esta circunstancia nos e da en las advocaciones marianas.

Sugiero, resolver este asunto; es decir, que al restricción se aplique a la festividad de los santos o beatos, pero no a las advocaciones marianas. JLVwiki (talk) 19:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is already mentioned at the top of the page: "Items with this property should also have “canonization status (P411)”. Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Known exceptions: Jesus (Q302), title of Mary (Q1509831) […]". --MF-W 00:32, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@MF-Warburg: It's throwing an error, as if there was no exception for the marian titles. See here, for instance.-- Darwin Ahoy! 23:31, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@MF-Warburg: Ping again, since it didn't worked before.-- Darwin Ahoy! 03:27, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if anything can be done about it. I just thought that the "Exceptions are possible" text above acknowledges that there may be an error shown in those cases, but that that is something one has to live with. --MF-W 15:58, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Julian dates[edit]

As you know, most Orthodox churches continue to use the Julian calendar, dates according to it are printed in modern Orthodox materials (for example, Kozma, October 12 - Julian date, 25 - Gregorian), not to mention the whole mass of church literature. But this property does not support Julian dates, so Julian dates are shown in Wikipedia infoboxes as Gregorian. Property has the wrong data type? --Vladis13 (talk) 12:58, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • There are Special:WhatLinksHere/Q47164206, you could use these? --- Jura 13:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you. Although this has other problems, therefore, even in the English infobox of w:en:Saint Anne (it is the example of the property), the value from Wikidata is not used, also in w:ru:Святая Анна where dates are shown in both calendars (Julian Church and Gregorian).
      So the disadvantages are: a) These dates are not supported in the information boxes of RuWikipedia and others, they are displayed as Gregorian. b) Almost the entire mass of these dates names are not Russified and not translated into any other Slavic language (while Russian and Orthodox Church Slavonic languages are mutually understandable). It is problematic to enter the desired month in an unknown language. --Vladis13 (talk) 13:23, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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