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Trismegistos text ID
identifier of a papyrus or an epigraphic text on Tresmegistos

Applicable "stated in" value	Trismegistos (Q22094624)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	manuscript (Q87167) or inscription (Q1640824)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example	Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 101 (Q7133300) → 20760 Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 654 (Q4891443) → 62840
Formatter URL	https://www.trismegistos.org/text/$1
See also	Trismegistos Geo ID (P1958), Trismegistos author ID (P11252), Trismegistos god ID (P12467)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P8532 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 308 Main statement 299 out of 844,712 (0% complete) 97.1% of uses Qualifier 2 0.6% of uses Reference 7 2.3% of uses
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Format “[1-9]\d*”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8532#Format, SPARQL

Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8532#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8532#Single value, SPARQL

Type “manuscript (Q87167), inscription (Q1640824)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)” with classes “manuscript (Q87167), inscription (Q1640824)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8532#Type Q87167, Q1640824, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8532#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8532#Scope, SPARQL

Domain "written work", should be "manuscript" and "inscription"

As of now, this property has a subject type constraint to class written work (Q47461344). This does not comply with the nature of the Trismegistos database nor its use on Wikidata. The text IDs refer to exemplars, not works. Accordingly the constraint should be for instances of manuscript (Q87167) and inscription (Q1640824).

Jahl de Vautban
Tolanor
JASHough
Jonathan Groß
Ahc84
Carbidfischer
Epìdosis
JBradyK
Joan Gené
DerMaxdorfer
Falten-Jura
DerHexer
Alexmar983
Demadrend
Liber008
Rybesh
ELexikon
Digitalphilologist
paregorios

Notified participants of WikiProject Antiquity: What do you think? Jonathan Groß (talk) 09:26, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

 Support, I agree of course. --Epìdosis 09:28, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

• As long as these two are the only possible types, I support DerHexer (talk) 09:32, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

  +1 Marcus Cyron (talk) 14:35, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

•  Support --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 16:50, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt feedback, guys! I'll go ahead then as proposed. Jonathan Groß (talk) 07:53, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Has this change been implemented? If so, the description should be updated, eg "identifier of a manuscript (papyrus, codex, fragment, palimpsest) or an inscription on Tresmegistos.org". atb CRolker (talk) 13:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Add exceptions to 'distinct-value constraint' or remove constraint

Hello! For the work I'm doing for Wikidata:WikiProject IDEA I am experiencing an issue with the distinct-value constraint.

Trismegistos assigns text IDs according to its own specific criteria (which can be found on their how-to-cite page) which don't necessarily match how texts are identified elsewhere. As they note here, their text IDs are sometimes associated with multiple items on other sites.

For our project, the issue arises from discrepancies between the Trismegistos ID and the individual items catalogued by the Beinecke. The items we have created for the Dura-Europos papyri were based on inventory numbers in the Beinecke and sometimes fragments that were published together have separate inventory numbers, but only one Trismegistos ID - we therefore have multiple items sharing the same TM text id which are currently in violation of this constraint (as you can see here in the constraint violation report, there are 6 items with this issue).

I would like to either add an exception to constraint (P2303) qualifer listing these specific exceptions, or to propose that the constraint is removed, since it could become an issue again in the future as more manuscripts and inscriptions are added to Wikidata. JASHough (talk) 16:16, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Jahl de Vautban
Tolanor
JASHough
Jonathan Groß
Ahc84
Carbidfischer
Epìdosis
JBradyK
Joan Gené
DerMaxdorfer
Falten-Jura
DerHexer
Alexmar983
Demadrend
Liber008
Rybesh
ELexikon
Digitalphilologist
paregorios

Notified participants of WikiProject Antiquity

Ahc84 (talk) Jflynn70 (talk) 18:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Valeriummaximum (talk) DuraEuroposBot Lrbrody (talk) 16:57, 21 June 2021 (UTC) Librarian lena (talk) 17:11, 21 June 2021 (UTC) Mmmccarty (talk) 17:12, 21 June 2021 (UTC) Archotto (talk) 21:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC) XCYang (talk) 21:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC) Dpadron08 (talk) 03:52, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Bittermelons (talk) 18:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Clairerenee77 (talk) 18:05, 1 March 2022 (UTC) PathL (talk) 18:06, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Kishan4800 (talk) 18:07, 1 March 2022 (UTC) 130.132.173.151 18:14, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Jpark789 (talk) 18:15, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Taylortran86 (talk) 18:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Mahdeenkhan99 (talk) 18:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Lac235 (talk) 18:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Alinaj1207 (talk) 18:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Ksandor2023 (talk) 18:20, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Teofalk99 (talk) 18:21, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Georgiamarch (talk) 18:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Dleuba (talk) 18:22, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Brjenn6 (talk) 18:23, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Jakelake (talk) 18:23, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Kynzieclark (talk) 18:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Zhsu376 (talk) 18:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC) MofeedNagib1738 (talk) 18:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Tlew01 (talk) 18:26, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Rohanahluwalia (talk) 18:27, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Rikkiwliu (talk) 18:28, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Blidd (talk) 18:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Kevin Yatich (talk) 18:30, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Juliekimtran1 (talk) 18:30, 1 March 2022 (UTC) ZubinMukerjee (talk) 18:31, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Thuyennvuu (talk) 18:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC) JASHough (talk) 19:03, 1 March 2022 (UTC) SamEshunDanquah (talk) 19:06, 1 March 2022 (UTC) Ily88 (talk) AhmadSalman (talk) FedericaCuccato1 (talk) BoHopwood (talk) 21:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC) Liber008 (talk) Boy.employee (talk)

Notified participants of WikiProject IDEA JASHough (talk) 16:16, 24 February 2024 (UTC)