Talk:Q110323267/Paternal line

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Snapshot of claimed paternal line as it stood on 29 January 2022. Some of the items or links may since have been deleted or deprecated.
George Thomas Herbert Taylor (Q76374569) was identified additionally as the father of the (real) Edward Taylor (Q75271615)


Discussion: As a starter, in respect of the principal surname in the descent, it is notable that searching for "Taylor-Berkeley" or "Taylor Berkeley" there are

  • no hits on Google Books
  • no hits on Google Scholar (other than those where Berkeley is the university or the philosopher)
  • no hits on FreeBMD
  • no hits on FamilySearch (other than a handful of irrelevant modern ones, found when searching with first name Taylor and family name Berkeley)
  • no hits in the London Gazette [1], where major civil and military appointments would have been recorded (other than a company called Taylor Berkeley in 2010)
  • no useful hits at the British Newspaper Archive ([2] -- most usefully sampled by limiting to decade by decade)


Claims in detail[edit]

(NOTE: The archived entries from The Peerage also include material from two later submissions to the site, identified as

[S8854] Margaret Holden-Johnson, "re: Taylor Family," e-mail message to Darryl Roger LUNDY (101053), 12 Nov 2019. Hereinafter cited as "re: Taylor Family."
[S8814] Harry Berkeley, "re: Brisco Family," e-mail message to Darryl Roger LUNDY (101053), 20 August 2019. Hereinafter cited as "re: Brisco Family."

These were added to the site later than the date it was extracted wikidata, so the additional material and individuals in these emails were never added here.)

"Thomas John Taylor"[edit]

--- Existed, father of Sir Thomas Taylor, 1st Bt. (Q75678593), of Park House.
--- But, as noted in a discussion on WikiTree, the email gives him a additional middle name John, that seemingly cannot be verified anywhere else

"Colonel Henry John Taylor"[edit]

CLAIMS
  • educated at Queen's College, Cambridge University, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England.
  • fought in the English Civil War.
--- there is no record of any such person having been at Queens' in the Cambridge Alumni database [3]

"John Charles Henry Taylor"[edit]

CLAIMS
  • held the office of Member of Parliament (M.P.) for Kent.
  • held the office of Gentleman of the Bedchamber to King William III.
--- No one of this name was a Gentleman of the Bedchamber (list)
--- There was an MP called John Taylor (Q40861906) HP bio, who represented Sandwich in Kent from 1695 - 1698 and again in 1701. And this John Taylor was the father of Herbert Taylor (Q107484848) (discussed below) and grandfather of Edward Taylor (Q75271615). But his dates (1655-1729), marriage (Olivia Tempest, 1677), biography, and ancestry bear no relation what was sent to ThePeerage. For example his actual father was Nathaniel Taylor (Q76287859) of St. Giles, Cripplegate, a lawyer who sat in the Barebones Parliament of 1653–4, with no connection to the Taylor baronets of Park House, Maidstone in Kent. These facts are not hard to discover, and the family is not obscure -- another of John's sons was the very well documented Brook Taylor (Q212085), who gave his name to the Taylor Series in mathematics. The actual family history was set out clearly in eg Burke's Peerage (1836, reproduced in later editions) [4]. The statements made to TP seem to show an apparent disregard for reality. This is particularly so in the case of the next entry.

"George Thomas Herbert Taylor"[edit]

see also comments at WikiTree: [5]
CLAIMS
  • father of Edward Taylor (Q75271615) of Bifrons in Kent TP, and of "Lt.-Col. John Henry Grosvenor Taylor".
  • educated at Eton College.
  • educated at Balliol College, Oxford.
  • admitted to Lincoln's Inn in 1719.
  • held the office of Justice of the Peace (J.P.) for Kent; held the office of Member of Parliament (M.P.) for Kent.
--- There is no entry for George Thomas Herbert Taylor in the Eton College Register, 1698-1752 (see p.330) [6]
--- There is no entry for him in Alumni Oxonienses, 1500-1714 [7] or Alumni Oxonienses 1715-1886 [8]
--- There is no entry for him in the Lincoln's Inn Admissions Register (index; 1719)
--- There was no MP of this name
--- In reality the father of Edward Taylor was Herbert Taylor (Q107484848), baptised 15 May 1698, well documented at eg the Cambridge Alumni database [9] and elsewhere
--- The actual Herbert Taylor went to Westminster School and then to St John's College, Cambridge; after which he spent his life as a deacon, then a rector, then a vicar. He married Mary Wake (Q107484923), daughter of Dr Edward Wake (Q107484969) prebendary of Canterbury, [Kent], cousin of William Wake (Q842313), Archbishop of Canterbury.
--- There is no indication of the actual Herbert Taylor using the names George or Thomas.

"Lt.-Col. John Henry Grosvenor Taylor"[edit]

CLAIMS:
  • He was educated at Balliol College, Oxford University, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England.
  • Culloden etc
--- no entry for him in Alumni Oxonienses 1715-1886 [10]

"John Hesketh Thomas Taylor"[edit]

  • Queens' College, Cambridge
  • military career
--- only two John Taylors at Queens' listed in the Cambridge database, neither of whom were him [11]

"Vice-Admiral John George Taylor"[edit]

  • He was educated at Eton College, Windsor, Berkshire, England.
  • He gained the rank of Captain in 1802 in the Royal Navy.
  • He fought in the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805.
--- there *was* a Taylor at Eton in 1784. But no first name given. [12]
--- no John George Taylor in the service records at TNA ADM 196 [13]
--- not listed as a captain in Order_of_battle_at_the_Battle_of_Trafalgar

"James Hornby Taylor-Berkeley"[edit]

  • He was educated at Eton College, Windsor, Berkshire, England.
  • He was admitted to Lincoln's Inn in 1814 entitled to practise as a barrister.
--- doesn't appear to be in the Eton Register [14]
--- no entry at Lincoln's Inn under Berkeley [15] or Taylor [16]

"Maj.-Gen. Sir Thomas John Taylor-Berkeley"[edit]

  • He was educated at Eton College, Windsor, Berkshire, England.
  • <military careeer from Holden-Johnson email>
--- doesn't appear to be in the Eton Register [17]

"James Taylor-Berkeley"[edit]

  • He was educated at Eton College, Windsor, Berkshire, England.
  • He was educated at Balliol College, Oxford University, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England.
  • He was admitted to Gray's Inn entitled to practise as a barrister.
  • He was appointed Fellow, Royal Society (F.R.S.)
  • He held the office of Deputy Lieutenant (D.L.) of Lancashire.
  • He held the office of Justice of the Peace (J.P.) for Lancashire.
--- not in the Eton Register [18] under Taylor or Berkeley [19]
--- not in Alumni Oxonienses under Taylor or Taylor-Berkeley [20] or Berkeley [21]
--- not in the Register of Admissions at Gray's Inn under Taylor [22] or Berkeley [23]
--- not listed under Taylor (wiki article) nor Berkeley (link).

"Brig.-Gen. John Graham Taylor-Berkeley"[edit]

  • He gained the rank of Brigadier-General in 1894 in the 3rd Cavalry Brigade.

"Brigadier Samuel Maitland Graham Taylor-Berkeley"[edit]

  • He was educated at Eton College, Windsor, Berkshire, England.
  • He gained the rank of Brigadier in 1914.
  • He fought in the First World War.

"Rear-Admiral John Graham Taylor-Berkeley"[edit]

  • He fought in the Second World War.
  • He gained the rank of Captain in the Royal Navy.

"John James Taylor-Berkeley"[edit]

Harry James Albert Cavendish Taylor-Berkeley[edit]

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