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Autodescription — NER class Z (Q115677255)
description: class of 50 British 4-4-2 locomotives, later LNER class C7
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2 or 3 cylinders
[edit]@Iain Bell: At Special:Diff/1788170242 you claimed this class had two cylinders. However the following sources seem to indicate three (the second and third are a little abstract but they are online borrowable): -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 18:18, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Cecil J. Allen; Geoffrey Freeman Allen (1976). British Atlantic Locomotives (2nd ed.). Shepperton: Ian Allan Publishing Ltd. p. 98. ISBN 0-7110-0042-5. OCLC 16367402. OL 4957228M. Wikidata Q116159749.
- O. S. Nock (1954). Locomotives of the North Eastern Railway. London: Ian Allan Publishing Ltd. p. 187. ISBN 0-7110-0493-5. OCLC 1280821872. OL 208223M. Wikidata Q116149925.
- David St. John Thomas; Patrick Bruce Whitehouse (1989). LNER 150: The London and North Eastern Railway : A century and a half of progress. Newton Abbot: David & Charles. p. 88. ISBN 0-7153-9332-4. OCLC 1245534727. OL 11253282M. Wikidata Q116162973.
@Redrose64: Per w:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NER Class Z While I'm al it I expect to be able in the next day or two to be able to offline access (( O. S. Nock, British locomotives of the 20th century (English): Volume 1 : 1900-1930 (English), British locomotives of the 20th century, London: Book Club Associates, OCLC 806980208, Wikidata Q116161914
)) to view source similarities of the Nock works and I'll report back here if I find a snap on those sources. @Onel5969: I'd note this appears to be a (too) close(ish) paraphrase of the lner.info pages in places but perhaps I'm paranoid, I'd certainly say they weres likely the original source for this article. thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 18:18, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- I've examined O. S. Nock, British locomotives of the 20th century (English): Volume 1 : 1900-1930 (English), British locomotives of the 20th century, London: Book Club Associates, pp. 91–93, OCLC 806980208, Wikidata Q116161914 and Locomotives of the North Eastern Railway (Q116149925) and in good faith I've not spotting a "snap" but just lets say I have 80% certainty and there's little value in comparing more. On my glance Q116161914 might be able to add some info to the article but again that is at a glance and again perhaps 80% certainty of that. Q116161914 (28 years later) seemed more focused on a comparison between the different Atlantics of all British companies. Thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 05:54, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- I've examined O. S. Nock, British locomotives of the 20th century (English): Volume 1 : 1900-1930 (English), British locomotives of the 20th century, London: Book Club Associates, pp. 91–93, OCLC 806980208, Wikidata Q116161914
- Hi. You are probably not paranoid, if you look at the talk page of the editor who created the article on English WP, they have a track record of copyright issues. 2600:1700:3808:17A0:182A:DA72:247C:D41F 18:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, wasn't logged in. Onel5969 (talk) 18:31, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
- Onel5969: Im indef block
en enWQon enWP so that isnt my problem unless it affects Wikidata. That said I was watching the recent RFA and was surprised no-one suggested that an NPP patroller acting on an NPP role shouldn't be able to send a new marginal article to AfD without a full BEFORE (which in some cases could take a couple of hours) providing they mention that in the nomination that are acting in capacity of an NPP patroller. Different matter for a long existing article. Interesting RFA. Anyway copyvio's are your call. Earwig wasn't clocking a copyvio. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 19:54, 10 January 2023 (UTC)- Class Z had three cylinders, the two-cylinder locos were Class V (and V/09). That was the primary difference between classes V and Z. I don't know why I'm being asked here and not at w:en:Talk:NER Class Z, because I visit Wikidata like twice a year. Indeed, this is a very strange place to discuss that article at all: discussion about the accuracy of a specific article at English Wikipedia belongs on the Talk page directly lined to that article, not way off on another project's wiki. --Redrose64 (talk; at English Wikipedia) 18:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Redrose64: Well I'm indef blocked and censored from the English Wikipedia so I can't comment there and challenge the personal attacks that occur etc. However I do operate on Wikidata and keep the item up to scratch and ensure that many railway articles up for deletion are properly referenced here so even if the English Wikipedia falls to the AfD the references remain here. The problem is what happen on the English Wikipedia can affect Wikidata. And I was able to given an opinion on your comment about Nock duplicating content between two particular works. Thankyou. -- User:Djm-leighpark(a)talk 19:11, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- Class Z had three cylinders, the two-cylinder locos were Class V (and V/09). That was the primary difference between classes V and Z. I don't know why I'm being asked here and not at w:en:Talk:NER Class Z, because I visit Wikidata like twice a year. Indeed, this is a very strange place to discuss that article at all: discussion about the accuracy of a specific article at English Wikipedia belongs on the Talk page directly lined to that article, not way off on another project's wiki. --Redrose64 (talk; at English Wikipedia) 18:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
- Onel5969: Im indef block