Talk:Q11998775
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Autodescription — rider (Q11998775)
description: person who rides an animal or vehicle, either as an operator or a passenger
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I think believe there is little sense in keeping this unit.
Somebody who rides an animal and somebody who steers a vehicle a seperate concepts that have almost nothing in common, apart from the fact that in Norwegian they seem to share the same name - i.e. it's simply a homonym (Q160843). But homonyms should not be wikidata items, they should be a lexeme (Q111352).
All items that refer to this item should rather refer to equestrian (Q2730732). Thus I propose to merge this item into equestrian (Q2730732). -- H005 (talk) 11:53, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- This item is not at all the same as equestrian (Q2730732). It includes all users (both vehicle operator (Q23640580) and passenger (Q319604)) of all mode of transport (Q334166). equestrian (Q2730732) is strictly a subclass: athletes on horses. A car passenger is a rider (Q11998775), not an equestrian (Q2730732). Links to this entity that are meant to refer specifically to sportspeople on horseback can be made more specific as appropriate. There is also room for another entity, "horse rider", a superclass of equestrian (Q2730732) that includes non-athletes on horses. It seems like that would be appropriate for a lot of the references on paintings; see What links here. Swpb (talk) 14:23, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
- Update, I created horse rider (Q109442873) and moved links to it. Swpb (talk) 20:15, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- Well, thanks for that effort, but I have never said that it is the same as equestrian (Q2730732). What I say is that this item is not required, because it is ambiguous and does not serve any purpose.
- Who defines that "It includes all users (both vehicle operator (Q23640580) and passenger (Q319604)) of all mode of transport (Q334166)."? This seems to be you interpretation, however what I see is: Various labels in different languages that don't match your definition, various descriptions in various languages that don't meet your definition, two links to Wikipedia articles that don't match your definition, and the properties of this item also do not match your definition. All of this could easily be avoided by merging it into equestrian (Q2730732).
- So if you want to keep it with the definition you gave above, please prove the notability of such an item, fix all properties and Wikipedia links and align the various labels and descriptions to it. Happy to help with the latter, but only if I see sufficient notability, which currently I don't. -- H005 (talk) 14:18, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
- "Rider" meets notability criteria 2 and 3. It is a common English word, meaning someone who rides something. The definition doesn't specify what's ridden, or whether the rider is operating/driving or not. That's not my interpretation, that's every English dictionary you will find. And this item is used on several other items (not including those that meant something more specific), so there's criterion 3.
I'm happy to work on synchronizing the labels and the Wikipedia links,(labels and links are good, see next comment) but there is no question of notability as Wikidata defines it. Swpb (talk) 19:13, 8 November 2021 (UTC) - The only label+description that didn't match the others was Danish; I moved it to horse rider (Q109442873). Likewise, the only inconsistent links were in Norwegian (nn) (Wikipedia and Winkiquote); again, moved to horse rider (Q109442873). I don't see anything inaccurate in the statements. Swpb (talk) 19:22, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- "Rider" meets notability criteria 2 and 3. It is a common English word, meaning someone who rides something. The definition doesn't specify what's ridden, or whether the rider is operating/driving or not. That's not my interpretation, that's every English dictionary you will find. And this item is used on several other items (not including those that meant something more specific), so there's criterion 3.