Talk:Q1301203
Autodescription — legal proceeding (Q1301203)
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- legal proceeding (Q1301203)
- legal proceeding (Q6087062)
- social procedure (Q7551318)
- legal process (Q85776190)
- legal proceeding (Q6087062)
- legal proceeding (Q1301203)
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belongs already to trial (Q8016240) --Oursana (talk) 12:51, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Beware the faux ami in English
[edit]Beware of the faux ami: What every other language calls "legal process" (in literal translation), more or less, is "legal proceeding" in English, not "legal process", which in English is something else.
There is a distinction in English between "legal proceeding" (a judicial activity) and "legal process" (documents). Somewhat counterintuitively, "legal process" is not a "process" in the normal English sense, but a set of documents. To "serve process" in English, is to hand documents over to someone, and the documents you hand over, are the "process". A "process server" is a job title, for someone who hands over legal documents. See w:Service of process. Mathglot (talk) 06:23, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Need for clarification: ENGLISH: 1 - legal proceeding 2 - legal proceeding 3 - legal case 4 - --- / GERMAN: 1 - Prozess 2 - Gerichtsverfahren 3 - Fall 4 - Rechtsstreit; SPANISH: 1 - proceso judicial / 2 - procedimiento judicial 3 - caso judicial 4 - --
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The following items need clarification:
| Q180684 (conflict – friction, disagreement, or discord within a group or between different groups[1]) | Q3249551 (process – series of events which occur over an extended period of time) | |
| sub class | 3 - Q2334719 (legal case / Rechtsfall / caso judicial)
13 Wikipedia entries[2] |
2 - Q6087062 (legal proceeding / Gerichtsverfahren / procedimiento judicial)
4 Wikipedia entries[3] |
| sub class | 4 - Q23759311 (--- / Rechtsstreit / ---)
2 Wikipedia entries[4] |
1 - Q1301203 (legal proceeding / Prozess / proceso judicial)
17 Wikipedia entries[5] |
The German notion: Prozess = contentious legal proceeding; Gerichtsverfahren = contentious AND non-contentious legal proceedings
[edit]There are only four Wikipedia versions, which have articles for Q6087062 as well as Q1301203: German, Spanish, Esperanto and Simple. Thirteen Wikipedia versions have articles only for Q6087062.
However, due to the German Wikipedia Q6087062 is – nevertheless – the broader concept: ‘Ein Prozess ist ein streitiges Verfahren vor einem Gericht […]. Der Begriff ‚streitiges‘ Verfahren bezieht sich auf die Abgrenzung zu ‚nichtstreitigen‘ Verfahren, die ebenfalls von Gerichten durchgeführt werden; zu den letzteren zählen z. B. Verfahren, die die Eintragung von grundstücksbezogenen Rechten in das Grundbuch betreffen. […]. ‚Gerichtsverfahren‘ ist also ein weiter gefasster, allgemeinerer Begriff als ‚Prozess‘.’ (de:Prozess (Recht))
When we accept this, then it would be appropriate to change the English label for Q1301203 from ‘legal proceeding’ into ‘contentious legal proceeding’.
But I don’t know, whether the narrower concept fits to all 17 Wikipedia articles for Q1301203. As well I don’t, whether the contentious character of a ‘Prozess’ constitutes as well for Spanish, Esperanto and (simple) English the differentia specifica (Q488677) between Q6087062 and Q1301203.
The Spanish notion: Procedimiento (judicial) a synonym of rules of procedure?
[edit]es:Proceso judicial states: ‘el término proceso engloba una realidad más amplia: además del procedimiento legalmente previsto, incluye también las relaciones entre los sujetos intervinientes, las relaciones entre estos y el objeto del proceso, etc.’
Seemingly ‘Procedimiento (judicial)’ refers more to the rules (‘legalmente previsto’) of procedure then to the procedure (itself), which is constituted through the application (or violation) of the rules of procedure.
Maybe it is necessary to distinct between
- the normative (or formal) notion: ‘Procedimiento (judicial)’ / Verfahren[6] as synonym of the rules of procedure (‘las normas’)
and
- the institutional (or praxeological) notion: ‘Procedimiento (judicial)’ / Gerichtsverfahren as the practice of application of the rules of procedure (‘la tramitación’ / ‘la realización’):
es:Procedimiento judicial: ‘En su sentido más amplio, se refiere a las normas de desarrollo del proceso, de ritualidad, tramitación, o formalidades para la realización de los derechos subjetivos con el debido respeto a los derechos y garantías.’
References
[edit]- ↑ Anyway I would say: It should be added: ‘or individuals’.
- ↑ ar قضية قانونية; en Legal case; es Caso legal; et Kaasus; fi Oikeustapaus; he תיק משפטי; kn ವ್ಯಾಜ್ಯ; lt Teismo byla; pl Postępowanie sądowe; simple Legal case; sk Súdne konanie; sv Rättsfall; uk Судова справа.
- ↑ de Gerichtsverfahren; eo Proceduro; es Procedimiento judicial; simple Legal proceeding.
- ↑ de Rechtsstreit; lt Teisinis ginčas.
- ↑ da Retssag; de Prozess (Recht); en Legal proceeding; eo Proceso (juro); es Proceso judicial; fi Oikeustie; fr Procès; fy Rjochtsaak; ja 訴訟; lt Teismo procesas; nl Rechtszaak; pt Processo judicial; simple Legal process; sv Juridisk process; vi Thủ tục tố tụng; yi אנקלאגע; zh 訴訟.
- ↑ Cfr. ‘2. Abschnitt 1 Verfahren vor den Landgerichten’ der Zivilprozessordnung (Q206893.