Talk:Q13226383

subclass of (P279) -> geographic location (Q2221906) & subclass of (P279) -> geographical feature (Q618123)

I find these two links to be surprising. Although most facilities happen to be on Earth, shouldn't their definition be decoupled from the concept of existing on Earth ?

As an example : the James Webb Space Telescope (Q186447).

The JWST is an instance of (P31) -> space telescope (Q148578), which is a subclass of (P279) -> observatory (Q62832), thus a facility (Q13226383), and in turn a geographic location (Q2221906), which means it's part of (P361) -> Earth's surface (Q1349417). Yet, the JWST is not even orbiting the Earth, it's orbiting the sun at L2.

It looks like the link between observatory (Q62832) and facility (Q13226383) is warranted, but it doesn't make sense to assume that it will be a geographical object just because it is a facility.

Eledeuh (talk) 10:44, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, observatory (Q62832) is homonym (Q160843): 1) Earth (Q2)'s ground-based observatory 2) outer space (Q4169)'s space observatory 3) airborne observatory --Fractaler (talk) 12:11, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

I guess I'll go ahead and move the linkage one notch higher, respectively to physical location (Q17334923) and physical object (Q223557), either of which could also be debated I guess, but it's probably more correct. Eledeuh (talk) 12:04, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

"facility" is just place used by humans, not necessary studied in geography

But always a 2D/3D place somewhere.

E.g. "launch site" (2d/3d place where launch will happen)

Only engineering specialties have strong interest in launching sites.

I tried to address this in recent changes.

If there is better option - please let me know. d1g (talk) 05:07, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

@Eledeuh, Fractaler, D1gggg:, if we want to include spacecraft within the scope of this item, then it can't be a geographical entity at all. The location would have to be attached elsewhere, at a subclass. I just changed it from geographical feature (Q618123) to geographic location (Q2221906), simply because I want port (Q44782) to be counted as a geographical location to avoid constraints elsewhere, but it's not necessarily logical. I don't even understand why geographical feature (Q618123) is a "point" but geographic location (Q2221906) is a "point or area", yet geographical feature (Q618123) is not a subclass of geographic location (Q2221906). I notice architectural structure (Q811979) is also geographical feature (Q618123). Ghouston (talk) 00:17, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Redundant

According to the superclass tree in the documentation, facility (Q13226383) is a subclass of fixed construction (Q811430), fixed construction (Q811430) is a subclass of artificial geographic object (Q35145743) and artificial geographic object (Q35145743) is a subclass of geographical feature (Q618123). Therefore, facility (Q13226383) is a subclass of geographical feature (Q618123). Adding geographical feature (Q618123) here is redundant it seems to me. The same goes for the other classes I dropped.

If what one wants to make explicit is that fixed construction (Q811430) implies "artificiality" and an facility (Q13226383) can be "natural", then I think that another class from another branch of the class tree has to be added. Maybe from the branch of natural geographic object (Q35145263)? --Fantastoria (talk) 07:59, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Proposed split 2023

I think this item needs to be split and redefined. A survey of current linkages:

• w:sv:Facilitet is essentially a dictionary entry, and any unifying concept would have to be very broad and probably inappropriate for use in the Wikidata class tree. It means anything that facilitates an activity, including buildings, legislation, militaries, religious denominations, morality, the family as a social institution, the Geneva Convention, the EU, prisons
• w:jp:施設 is a class of human-made purposeful objects of the built environment, perhaps similar to English "infrastructure", including buildings, roads, sewers, golf courses, and nursing homes.
• https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity refers to geographic locations such as "toilets, telephones, banks, pharmacies, prisons and schools."
• https://id.loc.gov/vocabulary/graphicMaterials/tgm003790.html "Something that is built, installed, or established to serve a particular purpose; often combines structure(s) and developed terrain; may include activities." including embankments, footpaths, waste disposal facilities, orphanages, wildlife reserves
• has facility (P912): the subject item has this type of facility, e.g. toilet, car park including left luggage (Q21996814), changing table (Q1780834). See the subject type constraint
• https://iconclass.org/54D4 "Facility" Perhaps a place for performing a procedure? Do other editors have access to tagged images which might bring clarity?
• https://denstoredanske.lex.dk/facilitet : bekvemmelighed; udenomsbekvemmelighed; hjælpemiddel
• https://lda.data.parliament.uk/terms/91217 "Facilities". I don't know how to determine anything about this beyond the label.

I think many of the instances of this class were linked based on a definition something like: "a building specially designed for a specific purpose"

Related items:

• facility (Q13226383): place, equipment, or service to support a specific function
• infrastructure (Q121359): fundamental facilities and systems serving a country, city, or other areas
• amenity (Q867393): infrastructure available for use and improving quality of life
• hotel amenity (Q5912147): term
• venue (Q17350442): place used for some activity
• fixed construction (Q811430): artificially constructed entity meant to remain at a fixed geographic location

I'm not sure yet what to do about it, but thought this would start the conversation. Daask (talk) 21:24, 4 June 2023 (UTC)