Talk:Q146641

So how does one edit the links to different-language Wikis nowadays? As I understood it, the preferred order is by each languages name in itself, which is also what is displayed down the left edge, but I can't see any way to move them in this newfangled "easy" UI.

@CRConrad: what do you want to move? Explain your wish. Regards, Conny (talk) 14:41, 10 November 2016 (UTC).

@Conny: I was talking about the list of links to Wikipedia pages in other languages, down the left edge of WP pages (in this case, the en.wp page for Zander). When I tried to edit it, I got taken to this "Wikidata" page, where they're listed in the long column towards the right of the page ("Item", above).

As I understood it, these links are supposed to appear in the order of the languages, displayed alphabetically in that language itself: "Deutsch, English, Francais", etc. Here, as on many other pages, they're listed in alphabetical order of the _language codes_ -- "de, en, fr" etc. In most cases, that's no problem since the codes are based on the names and therefore sort similarly. But Finnish, which in Finnish is called "Suomi" and displayed as such, has the code "fi". So it gets ordered in the wrong place, up near Francais, when it should be much further down, just above Swedish. In the old days of WikiCode, I've edited many pages manually to put Suomi in the right place, but in this "wikidata" interface, I can't seem to change the order in that right-hand column. Are the other-language links supposed to be in order of language code nowadays, or am I just missing a more or less obvious way to change it? Thanks, CRConrad (talk) 09:08, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Asked here. Regards, Conny (talk) 16:16, 11 November 2016 (UTC).

Sorry, where there? Firefox found no instances of "language code" on that page. It found, eh, was it around three of "code", but they had nothing to do with language codes, and 37 of "language" (of which three in the TOC), but they didn't seem to have anything to do with that either. (But FWIW I agreee with you and Tshige-something that Succu and a few more really were being arseholes toward Andy M. The fricking gall of one of his last questions, "So why don't you just ask?" [paraphrased], when that was all he'd been doing...!) Will try the next link now. --CRConrad (talk) 15:23, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Precised here. Conny (talk) 15:00, 12 November 2016 (UTC).

@Conny: You mean at #Language_support on that page? But that only leads on to "How to get a new language code added". That is not what I am talking about; the Wikipedia page for "Zander" (WTF, BTW -- did someone fix it on the English page during the weekend, or was I talking about the German page all along? ;-) ) already has a language link for Finnish. But, please look at that page: WP-de:Zander. See the list of links to WP pages in other languages, down the left edge under "In anderen Sprachen"? It begins with a few Cyrillic-alphabet languages, then "Català, Cebuano, Čeština, Kaszëbsczi, Cymraeg..." Then, a bit further down, it goes "Eesti, Euskara, فارسی (Farsi), Suomi, Français...". See how most of those are in alphabetical order? But only most of them, not all -- both Khasubian and Finnish are out of order. (Farsi seems to be in the correct place. Depending on how the Persian alphabet is ordered, I guess). The reason that they are out of order is apparently because they're sorted by language code, not language name. That's what I was asking for, how to alter the sort order of already-existing other-language entries on Wikipedia pages; not how to create new language codes. CRConrad (talk) 15:45, 14 November 2016 (UTC) (P.S: My father is often nicknamed "Conny", from our surname. Are we related? ;-) )

Aha, now I see!

Aha, now I see it. Thank you @Conny: and @TomT0m:!

I've been contributing to WP -- mostly tiny edits, fixing spellos and grammar -- for years now, but it's been a while. A lot has obviously changed since last time... I'm not sure I find all the changes to be for the better. CRConrad (talk) 16:05, 14 November 2016 (UTC)