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Autodescription — utopian fiction (Q15062360)
description: fiction in any form that depicts an ideal society
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@UWashPrincipalCataloger: usually reversely: fiction includes not only literature but also films, games... --Infovarius (talk) 20:40, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- OK, but literature includes written fiction, poetry, drama, essay, etc. This item is for the literary fiction, as that is what the identifiers represent. So there needs to be two separate utopian fiction items, one for fiction in the broad sense and one for literary fiction? In libraries, fiction only means literature, not film, TV, etc. For those we have genre headings such as Fictional television programs, Fictional films, etc., but they are not subclasses of fiction itself. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 22:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, it's up to you, English-speakers (we don't have good term for this word in 'broad sense' in our language). But I've got fed up by Wikidatans and the item fiction (Q8253) about that. Let me understand, do you think poetry/drama are not fiction? --Infovarius (talk) 19:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Correct, I do not agree that poetry and drama are fiction. Fiction to librarians is a literary form only. Drama and poetry are other literary forms. Here is a portion of the Library of Congress Genre/Form Term hierarchy (you can see the complete hierarchy at https://id.loc.gov/authorities/genreForms/gf2014026415.html):
- Literature
- Used For: Belles-lettres
- Narrower Term: Comics (Graphic works)
- Narrower Term: Drama
- Narrower Term: Fiction
- Narrower Term: Poetry
As you can see, poetry and drama are not narrower terms under fiction.- Here's what "Fiction" looks like (https://id.loc.gov/authorities/genreForms/gf2014026339.html):
- Fiction
- Used For: Stories
- Used For: Tales
- Broader Term: Literature
- Narrower Term: Action and adventure fiction
- Narrower Term: Bildungsromans
- Narrower Term: Biographical fiction
- Narrower Term: Detective and mystery fiction
- etc.
- Other types of fictional works are not part of fiction in the Library of Congress vocabularies. For example the broader term for Fiction films is not fiction:
- Fiction films
- Used For: Dramatic films
- Used For: Fictional films
- Broader Term: Motion pictures
- not also Broader Term: Fiction
- Basically, for catalogers and library catalogs, "fiction" by itself is only a form of literature, not also a form of film, television, video game, etc. A novel about dogs would get the Library of Congress subject headings Dogs--Fiction. A play or a dramatic film about dogs would get Dogs--Drama. Poetry about dogs would get Dogs--Poetry. A computer game about dogs would get Dogs--Computer games. Comics about dogs gets the heading Dogs--Comic books, strips, etc. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 22:24, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- See Wikidata:WikiProject Arts. Fiction is a type of narrative, based on the content. It can be sound-based (oral/audio), visual (film/painted), written. Drama and poetry (both have also problematic definitions Talk:Q25372 + poetry discussion) are not subclasses of it, but other types of narrative. If you want to create fiction genres exclusively for literature, you should add the word "literature" in the title to avoid confusion. Other name variations without this word can be added to the AKAs. Solidest (talk) 16:56, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with that. CaLéValab (talk) 17:05, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- See Wikidata:WikiProject Arts. Fiction is a type of narrative, based on the content. It can be sound-based (oral/audio), visual (film/painted), written. Drama and poetry (both have also problematic definitions Talk:Q25372 + poetry discussion) are not subclasses of it, but other types of narrative. If you want to create fiction genres exclusively for literature, you should add the word "literature" in the title to avoid confusion. Other name variations without this word can be added to the AKAs. Solidest (talk) 16:56, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Correct, I do not agree that poetry and drama are fiction. Fiction to librarians is a literary form only. Drama and poetry are other literary forms. Here is a portion of the Library of Congress Genre/Form Term hierarchy (you can see the complete hierarchy at https://id.loc.gov/authorities/genreForms/gf2014026415.html):
- Actually, it's up to you, English-speakers (we don't have good term for this word in 'broad sense' in our language). But I've got fed up by Wikidatans and the item fiction (Q8253) about that. Let me understand, do you think poetry/drama are not fiction? --Infovarius (talk) 19:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)