Talk:Q15860072

Стороны конфликта в Викиданных

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  ?item wdt:P607 wd:Q15860072.
  OPTIONAL {?item wdt:P945 ?loyal.}      
    SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
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English description

I copied the description from the introduction of the English Wikipedia article. If you want to change it please discuss here. --Pyfisch (talk) 14:24, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Викидата на русском языке (Russian Wikidata)

@Infovarius: Я бы хотел обсудить с Вами вот эти правки: 1 и 2.
Правка 1: Почему Вы пишите "с точки зрения Украины"? Ведь такая точка зрения на конфликт поддерживается не только Украиной.
Правка 2: Есть ли достоверный источник на то, что ООН оспаривает слово "война" применительно к данному конфликту?--RenatUK (talk) 04:47, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Здравствуйте. Спасибо за ссылки на противоположную точку зрения. Когда-то я находил ссылки на отчёты ОБСЕ о том, что российских военных не найдено, попробую ещё раз найти. Про ООН был неправ, написал наугад. --Infovarius (talk) 14:09, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

IMO, если бы тут было поле "участники" (тут, видимо, его заменяет поле "государство"?) то я бы скорее туда поставил, что Россия оспаривает своё участие в сём. По ОБСЕ - [1], [2]. С уважением, --Seryo93 (talk) 20:50, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

If we resort ourselves to the opinions of OSCE, then the English article for the war states pretty clearly: The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) Special Monitoring Mission observed convoys of heavy weapons and tanks in DPR-controlled territory without insignia.[84] OSCE monitors further stated they observed vehicles transporting ammunition and soldiers' dead bodies crossing the Russian-Ukrainian border under the guise of humanitarian aid convoys.[85] <…> In December 2015, Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin admitted that Russian military intelligence officers were operating in Ukraine, insisting though that they were not the same as regular troops.[95] If Russian official opinion on the war needs to be presented in the item that does not even have an article in Russian Wikipedia, it should be presented in a less accusatory terms than ‘propaganda’ and ‘hypothesis’. stjn^[ru] 15:43, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

• @Stjn: do you suppose that this message is "pretty clear"? Convoys without insignia (no proof whose)..., ammunition and bodies (this is not an army)... Concerning military intelligence officers, are all countries having intelligence in Ukraine are a part of conflict? --Infovarius (talk) 10:14, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

• @Infovarius: после 24.02.2022 оспаривать участие вообружённых сил России в войне как-то странно. Поэтому [3] --Olchug (talk) 18:43, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

  @Olchug: После не буду. Надо тогда определиться, о каком периоде данный элемент или конкретные утверждения. Я бы указал, что в 2014-2022 гг. участие России гипотетично (оспаривается, не доказано и т.п.), а после 2022 безусловно (хотя тоже с источниками бы). --Infovarius (talk) 10:14, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

  @Infovarius а кто-то кроме российского правительства и связанных с ними "экспертов" оспаривает участие России в войне (в Крыму и на Донбассе) с 2014 года? Неучастие России это маргинальная точка зрения, не уверен что её вообще надо отражать здесь. Olchug (talk) 10:17, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

  ОБСЕ (см. ссылки выше). --Infovarius (talk) 21:55, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Revert of my edits

Hi, @Nk you reverted my edits without providing a message. Could you please explain yourself? I would really appreciate if you discuss such reverts beforehand if not obviously wrong (in any case I expect a clear message explaining) So9q (talk) 19:27, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

@So9q: Providing equipment and other equipment to participants in war is different than participation in a war. --Nk (talk) 11:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Alright, that's a winning argument for me. I still would like to model this somehow. Do you have an idea how? I modeled the financial help on the Ukraine item yesterday btw. So9q (talk) 15:53, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure that appropriate property exists. I checked a few of the Cold War period wars where this should be relevant but didn't find anything. --Nk (talk) 07:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)