Talk:Q171558

Interwiki conflict
Items involved: Q171558Talk, Q4317891Talk, ...Talk	Status:    not resolved
different types of events

accidents and "unfortunate accident"

@Infovarius: The article misadventure (Q4317891) includes all accidents in which a person was injured or died. Accidents in which only items were damaged, are no instances of misadventure (Q4317891).

The article accident (Q171558) includes all sorts of accidents: Accidents in which a person is injured or died, but also accidents in which no person is harmed. Thus, every instance of misadventure (Q4317891) is also an instance of accident (Q171558). Thus, misadventure (Q4317891) is a subclass of accident (Q171558). --Eulenspiegel1 (talk) 18:52, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I believe Eulenspiegel1 is right. This is probably a language issue, because misadventure (Q4317891) isn't really a concept in the languages I know. But it does seem to have a specific meaning in Russian and Eastern-European languages. The first sentence on bewiki translates to "An unfortunate accident is an unexpected event, an unexpected coincidence that resulted in bodily injury or death". Besides, "<adjective> <object>" typically implies a specific subtype of <object>.

@Eulenspiegel1: Maybe, if you speak any of the languages, you could add better English descriptions and labels in misadventure (Q4317891)? --Matthias Winkelmann (talk) 09:51, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

As for Russian, Q171558 is "demolition of technical devices or structures, explosion or explusion of substances" (not necessary with victims) in contrary to Q4317891 which is "unfortunate event that resulted in bodily injury or death" (can be without any technics, e.g. simple falling). --Infovarius (talk) 20:16, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

There exists three types of accidents. Unfortunately, I don't know the english names of these accidents:

1. Fortunate accident: In this accident neither objects are damaged nor people become injured/die. For example: A climber falls but his safety leash rescues him. Thus, the climber wasn't injured and his objects weren't damaged.
2. Accidents with damaged objects but without injured/died people: At least one object is damaged, but no person is injured/died. For example: While playing soccer, the ball hit a nearby window and the window breaks.
3. Unfortunate accident: Accident in which at least one person become injured/dies.

Q171558 includes all these three accident types.

@Infovarius: Maybe, the Russian description for this item "demolition of technical devices or structures, explosion or explusion of substances" is wrong. The English description is "unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance, often with a negative outcome". Ihe English page describes it as "An accident is an unplanned event that sometimes has inconvenient or undesirable consequences, other times being inconsequential." --Eulenspiegel1 (talk) 13:47, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

@Eulenspiegel1: or the English description is wrong. One thing is clear that there is conflict here. Your classification seems insufficient. As I've said "авария"@ru has main property of being technogenic, whether it is fortunate (in your words) or not. What about other sitelinks? At least az/uk/be/bg/kk/lt/tk talk about technics only. misadventure (Q4317891) seems to cover #3 (or +#2) in your classification. --Infovarius (talk) 15:19, 19 August 2020 (UTC)