Talk:Q18603729

subsets

dissolution of the Soviet Union (Q5167679), fall of the western Roman Empire (Q689999) and so on. --Fractaler (talk) 12:34, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Nope, they are instances. --Horcrux92 (talk) 12:55, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

"dissolution of the Soviet Union" is "dissolution of an administrative territorial entity"? --Fractaler (talk) 14:01, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

It's a specific "dissolution of ...", not a set (therfore not a subset). --Horcrux92 (talk) 12:48, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

set "dissolution of the Soviet Union" = subset "release of Baltic area" + subset "release of Caucasus area" + subset "release of Ukraine area" + subset "release of Belarus area" + and so on. --Fractaler (talk) 09:01, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

I think you are a bit confused about what is a subset, a membership, and their respective concepts in knowledge representation.

1. "release of Baltic area", again, is not a set, therfore it cannot be a subset.
2. Even if "release of Baltic area" was a set, saying that it is a "dissolution of an administrative territorial entity" makes no sense, therfore it can be neither a "dissolution of the Soviet Union", neither in the sense of "subset of" (subclass of) nor "member of" (i.e. instance of).

At most, "dissolution of the Soviet Union" could be the immediate cause of an hypothetical "release of Baltic area". --Horcrux92 (talk) 00:53, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Ok, no set theory (Q12482). "Soviet Union (administrative territorial entity)" = "Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q192180) (administrative territorial entity)" + "Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q173761) (administrative territorial entity)" + "Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q130280) (administrative territorial entity)" + "Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q133356) (administrative territorial entity)" + "Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q2895) (administrative territorial entity)" and so on? --Fractaler (talk) 09:34, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

That's a completely different point. Anyway, Soviet Union (Q15180) is not a set. According to your intention, the correct properties are at most has part(s) (P527)/part of (P361); but, like any other first-level administrative division (Q10864048) the property to use should be country (P17). Conversely, republic of the Soviet Union (Q236036) is a set, so, for example, Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q130280) is a particular member (not subset!) of that set. --Horcrux92 (talk) 11:13, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

"According to your intention" - according to set theory (Q12482). has part(s) (P527) - yes, = set contains subsets, part of (P361) = subsets within a set. Soviet Union (Q15180) - homonym (Q160843), ="Soviet Union (Q15180) (administrative territorial entity)" + "Soviet Union (Q15180) (Soviet people (Q1633149))" + "Soviet Union (Q15180) (Q4426525)" + "Soviet Union (Q15180) (Soviet Army (Q43456))" + and so on. And Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q130280) also - homonym (Q160843). And Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q192180). And so on. And dissolution of the Soviet Union (Q5167679) - homonym (Q160843), = "dissolution of the Soviet Union (administrative territorial entity)" + "dissolution of the the Soviet Union (Soviet people (Q1633149))" + "dissolution of the the Soviet Union (Q4426525)" + "dissolution of the the Soviet Union (Soviet Army (Q43456))" + and so on. --Fractaler (talk) 12:58, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

As I said, for the first-level administrative division (Q10864048) the property to use should be country (P17) instead of part of (P361). For instance, "Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q192180) has country (P17) Soviet Union (Q15180)", or "Louisiana (Q1588) has country (P17) United States of America (Q30)", and so forth.

The topic of "dissolution of..." is another story, and I don't get the speech about the homonyms. --Horcrux92 (talk) 14:39, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

I think need some examples of "dissolution of an administrative territorial entity". --Fractaler (talk) 06:43, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

The ones you referred at the top of discussion are instances of "dissolution of an administrative territorial entity". --Horcrux92 (talk) 10:02, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Soviet Union (Q15180) is administrative territorial entity (Q56061)?--Fractaler (talk) 13:01, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

You can see by yourself what Soviet Union (Q15180) is instance of (this discussion is becoming nonsense). --Horcrux92 (talk) 21:33, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Soviet Union (Q15180) is administrative territorial entity (Q56061). And Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q192180) (also Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q130280), Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q130280), Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q173761) and so forth) is administrative territorial entity (Q56061). But also Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q192180) (also Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q130280), Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q130280), Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic (Q173761) and so forth) is Soviet Union (Q15180). --Fractaler (talk) 09:09, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

I can't understand if you are trolling me. Where do you want to go with this? --Horcrux92 (talk) 12:21, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Here you said: dissolution of an administrative territorial entity (Q18603729) do not consists of dissolution of the Soviet Union (Q5167679) (and so forth). My reasoning above shows that dissolution of an administrative territorial entity (Q18603729) consists of dissolution of the Soviet Union (Q5167679) (and so forth) --Fractaler (talk) 07:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC)