Talk:Q18608583
Autodescription — recurring sporting event (Q18608583)
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See Talk:Q13406554. --- Jura 13:20, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Subclasses cleanup[edit]
I've cleaned up the subclass hierarchy a bit, now it looks like this: subclass graph.
We have 4 main subclasses:
- sports league (Q623109) - 5762 instances
- recurring tournament (Q15259995) - 1355 instances, with 1250 of them being instances of recurring tennis tournament (Q47443726), and 102 others (I don't know why this does not sum up :D)
- national cup competition (Q61629906) - 257 instances
- race series (Q23662496) - 0 instances
There are also 2 instances that are both sports league (Q623109) and recurring tournament (Q15259995), 3 instances that are both sports league (Q623109) and national cup competition (Q61629906), and 0 instances that are both recurring tournament (Q15259995) and national cup competition (Q61629906).
It would be quite useful to have stronger definitions for them - i.e. how they differ between each other, and what classifies as which one of them.
We have a strong definition for sports league (Q623109): every league consists of sports season (Q27020041)s, and every sports season (Q27020041) contains multiple sporting event (Q16510064) happening over weeks/months-long time period. Also, each season is a competition (Q23807345) - it has a winner.
recurring tournament (Q15259995) and national cup competition (Q61629906) seem quite vague. I think that national cup competition (Q61629906) could be interpreted as a subclass of sports league (Q623109) for events that end up using ladder to select the season winner (however - are they season-long? or just up to two weeks?); and national cup competition (Q61629906) is about up-to-two-weeks-long events. How do you see it?
And about race series (Q23662496). There were only 4 instances of race series (Q23662496), and I've reclassified them as just recurring sporting event (Q18608583) instances, so we might want to delete this class. OTOH it can be used as a class of all recurring sporting event (Q18608583) whose sports competition (Q13406554) contain race (Q22938576) - which means it could get populated automatically; but we could do the same for all other things (like create an item for recurring football festivals as a class of all recurring sporting event (Q18608583) whose sports competition (Q13406554) contain association football match (Q16466010)) - which I'd call sport-specific recurring sporting event (Q18608583) subclasses, and which wouldn't provide much structural usefullness (however they might be useful for querying Wikidata).
So... What do you think? LEW21 (talk) 12:41, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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- I do not see any point in using the sports league (Q623109) instead of the recurring tournament (Q15259995) and vice versa. Talking about weeks and months is pointless since we have examples like with Soviet Cup (Q647690) where 1936 Soviet Cup (Q4243939) was played from July to August of 1936 but 1990–91 Soviet Cup (Q4243990) was played from April of 1990 to June of 1991. national cup competition (Q61629906) as a subclass of sports league (Q623109) it's a farce, what will it give us? This is a classification invented on the go, absolutely useless, in my opinion. Anyone who needs it can play around with start time (P580) and end time (P582). Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 12:57, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- I can also give an example of World Cups - we have 9(10) stages of 2012–13 Biathlon World Cup (Q128634) but only one for 2010 Para-Cycling UCI World Cup[1]. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 13:07, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- I think it's preferable to review this sports by sports rather than trying to mix up things merely for a top-down view. --- Jura 13:09, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- I think we should decouple at least two aspects from the "sports festival" concept: the event format that defines the progression system ("tournament", "race", …), and the championship status ("national championship", "European championship", …). Both deserve separate ontologies and should be separately added to items (in a way to be defined). Unlike now, they should in my opinion *not* be part of the recurring sporting event (Q18608583) or sports competition (Q13406554) subclass hierarchy. —MisterSynergy (talk) 14:14, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
- @LEW21: You say "national cup competition (Q61629906) could be interpreted as a subclass of sports league (Q623109)". But a league is a competition in which each team meets all other teams, and in the national cup competition (Q61629906) isn´t. Then, a cup is not a league. But both are usually a recurring tournament (Q15259995) --Vanbasten 23 (talk) 18:11, 18 February 2020 (UTC)