Talk:Q241045
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Autodescription — bust (Q241045)
description: sculpture of the upper part (head, neck, and a variable portion of chest and shoulders) of the human figure
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not a drawing or painting
[edit]I reduced the English description to contain only three-dimensional sculptures, not two-dimensional drawings or paintings, as matching the "subclass of a sculpture" and matching the English lemma. -- Gerd Fahrenhorst (talk) 08:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately User:GiovanniPen ruined this distinction by merging bust (Q241045) with bust (Q17489160). This merge should be reverted and the distinction between two- and three-dimensional works be clarified. /ℇsquilo 08:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- i'm sorry for the mistake/mix-up, ofc the merge can be retrieved. @Gerd Fahrenhorst wrote on my talk page.
- i merged the item because they were ambiguous in description and in instance of (P31) GiovanniPen (talk) 09:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- imho, if we decide to separate things again, maybe then it would be more correct to have three elements: bust (generic representation), as sculpture and as painting (both with the appropriate subclass of (P279) and so on) ? GiovanniPen (talk) 09:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- To make it more complicated, User:KrBot has already changed probably thousands of items (or: all) from Q17489160 to Q241045 (e.g. Rudolf Virchow memorial (Q113103790) which triggered me to look at the change). It makes no sense to re-install Q17489160 if there are no items referring to it. So we also have to undo the changes made by KrBot. -- Gerd Fahrenhorst (talk) 18:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- In addition, all wiki languages link to Q241045 and not to Q17489160. So I suggest we simply keep Q241045 as a subclass of sculpture ? -- Gerd Fahrenhorst (talk) 19:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- i agree with keep this item bust (Q241045) as subclass of sculpture.
- instead of undo the changes made by the bot, it could be easier to change any possible portrait (less than the 3d statue/bust) with a new item (if we decide to create a separate one) of 2d drawings/painting of the upper part of a human body.
- if the intention is to have two separate items, then we could also delete any ambiguous alternative definition in this element, clarifying everything. GiovanniPen (talk) 19:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- according to the last version before merging the item was already ambiguous: while the title was
- portrait at bust length (imho absolutely unclear) english Description says "in picture or sculpture"; the same for spanish "representación escultórica o pictórica".
- property instance of (P31) had sculpture (Q860861) too, there was partially coincident with (P1382) but also subclass of (P279) both referring to the item i merged (bust (Q17489160))... GiovanniPen (talk) 20:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- So since the English and spanish descriptions are already changed: Should we now end the discussion and keep the current definition? -- Gerd Fahrenhorst (talk) 14:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Generic, sculpture, portrait or what? GiovanniPen (talk) 14:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sculpture. -- Gerd Fahrenhorst (talk) 15:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Generic, sculpture, portrait or what? GiovanniPen (talk) 14:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)