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Autodescription — amino acid metabolism (Q30102291)
description: A complete overview of the metabolism of all 20 amino acids.
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Work or general item about a pathway?[edit]
@Daniel Mietchen Hello, is this an item about a pathway or about a work (a chapter in a database)? The instance of (P31) suggests it's a general item, but author (P50) points to a creative work... Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 13:57, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps @Egon Willighagen: can sort this out? --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 05:39, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- I need to dig up the original discussions in the Wikidata community about this design decision to see why it was done like this. --Egon Willighagen (talk) 05:52, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Daniel Mietchen @Egon Willighagen Hi, thank you. I know it's probably a very old decision but it would be fantastic if you could look into it. Currently, this "mix-up" seems to occur on at least 2400 items. Possible solution is a removal of author (P50) and author name string (P2093) statements Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 14:28, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- We discussed the issue. The bot development is being discussed and may be taken over. The split requires a duplication of items and some more coordination. The number of items involved is, however, not significant, just a few thousand. Sounds doable. It is the kind of change that may need some discussion, as it triggered debates in the past for other things. Sometimes splitting up is welcomed (books and book editions), sometimes not (chemicals only neutral compounds are the default). In all cases, it requires development on the old/new shape expression and updating of the bots. Coordination with the Reactome team is likely needed, and possibly with other projects. --Egon Willighagen (talk) 10:04, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Egon Willighagen OK, in the meantime, can we robotically remove all statements using properties author (P50), author name string (P2093), title (P1476), and main subject (P921) from the items? That would make sense as the quickest solution which can be easily done without discussing with the community. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 13:00, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- I did not add that and do not feel I should answer that. It's the hard work of others. This discussion can best move to the page about the bot itself. Mind you, the model they ended up with has had discussion and as far as I know the consensus of that discussion. I feel unqualified to overrule that original design. Personally, I think the splitting of the pathway model from the biological process makes sense (it would double the number of entities; and sometimes Wikidatan have trouble with that), but I'm not the only stakeholders and also was not involved in making the original design nor those discussions. That said, I did pass on the message and there are discussions ongoing, but it's holiday and things just go slowly. --Egon Willighagen (talk) 13:18, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Egon Willighagen OK, in the meantime, can we robotically remove all statements using properties author (P50), author name string (P2093), title (P1476), and main subject (P921) from the items? That would make sense as the quickest solution which can be easily done without discussing with the community. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 13:00, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- We discussed the issue. The bot development is being discussed and may be taken over. The split requires a duplication of items and some more coordination. The number of items involved is, however, not significant, just a few thousand. Sounds doable. It is the kind of change that may need some discussion, as it triggered debates in the past for other things. Sometimes splitting up is welcomed (books and book editions), sometimes not (chemicals only neutral compounds are the default). In all cases, it requires development on the old/new shape expression and updating of the bots. Coordination with the Reactome team is likely needed, and possibly with other projects. --Egon Willighagen (talk) 10:04, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Daniel Mietchen @Egon Willighagen Hi, thank you. I know it's probably a very old decision but it would be fantastic if you could look into it. Currently, this "mix-up" seems to occur on at least 2400 items. Possible solution is a removal of author (P50) and author name string (P2093) statements Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 14:28, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- I need to dig up the original discussions in the Wikidata community about this design decision to see why it was done like this. --Egon Willighagen (talk) 05:52, 5 July 2022 (UTC)