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description: harpy in a work of fiction (for the harpies in Greek mythology see Q181360)
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[edit]@Valentina.Anitnelav: Why do we need to add in the label of this item "in a work of fiction" ? Can a harpy be present in something different than a work of fiction ? And is the Greek mythology something different than a work of fiction ?
This item should represent all harpies including the ones of the Greek mythology. The item harpies (Q181360) is a group of harpies not another species of harpies. Snipre (talk) 09:53, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- But there are works on the study of the anatomy and morphology of all harpies/Harpies? May be something like "Harpies or fictional Harpies" ("group of harpies in the Greek mythology or a work of fiction")? --Fractaler (talk) 10:14, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, there is a difference between characters from works of fiction (e.g. fantasy literature) and characters from mythology, as there is a difference between "real" gods (like God in Christianity (Q825)) and gods from fiction (like Thor (Q717588). Not because the first exist and the others not, but because they serve different functions. Elements from myth (or religion) are/were part of a world view of a culture and often used somehow explanatory (both descriptive and normative) or practically (e.g. in rituals trying to influence future events). The same is not true of characters from fiction (probably nobody thinks or thought that Charles Swann (Q2960274) is real and it's not the main purpose of elements from works of fiction to explain phenomena in our world or society).
- This is rather theoretical, but there are also practical reasons for making this difference: I'm quite sure that you want to be able to search for all gods without getting gods from works of fiction into the result set and that you want to be able to search for mythical characters without getting characters from pop culture (like Rainbow Dash (Q12739035)). For that we need a separation between characters from mythology/religion and characters from works of fiction.
- Please note that the same distinction is made in some Wikipedias (e.g. in the English one): There are, for example, list of fictional vampires (Q6619795) and list of vampires in folklore and mythology (Q6644558). Sometimes there are even different articles like with elf (Q174396) and elf in a work of fiction (Q3050815).
- Are there harpies in Greek mythology who don't belong to the group of harpies? If not I see no need for a species-item. You can make them an instance of mythical human-animal hybrid (Q20902363). If you think that the harpy in mythology represent rather a kind of species: You changed the scope of harpies (Q181360) only recently - before that it was used as a class/species. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:38, 8 January 2018 (UTC)